It's like insurance companies. It almost never hurts their bottom line to
deny liability the first time around. You would be amazed at how many
people stop right there. And the insurers know it. So they try it as often
as they can.
"Mr. Austerity" <"PrintMo.Money "> wrote in message
Good for you. Rebate fraud became a fine art because rebaters were
unsupervised/unaudited processors. That led to some of them actively
engaging in denying real claims and then using the UPC codes they claimed
were never sent in to give to their friends to file fake claims. When you
process thousands of $10 rebates in one day, a little fraud goes a long way.
Just one of the joys of outsourcing - the rebate companies could not have
cared less if they were tarnishing the retailer's reputations. The deals
were set up with no oversight and IIRC, rebaters were allowed to keep some
of the money set aside for rebates that was never paid out. That's like
begging to have a fraud committed.
Once I read about two rebate companies doing that, I realized that it was
just an exercise in frustration - they could and did refuse to honor rebates
for the most bogus of reasons because they had a strong monetary incentive
to do so -- until they got caught.
The most annoying are those "air stuffed" mailers where basically the
mailman delivers a loose pile of assorted garbage mail to each home with
many of the mixed pieces carefully crafted to look like checks or normal
FIOS here too.
Compared to Comcast anything would look good.
Actually FIOS is great. I have triple play and like
everything. Even the installers and support people.
One thing to be aware of, each TV requires a set top box.
Those charges add up quickly if you like TVs in multiple rooms.
My last experience with ATT was pretty bad. I get by with a prepaid
phone at 15.00/month for 200 roll over minutes, a cable modem for the
internet and over the air TV. Runs me about 60 bucks a month total.
It really depends on what you want, what you need and how you will
actually use it all when you get it. It's easier to get a full back
tattoo removed than get lose from some of the contracts the companies
have now days.
I too hate ATT with a passion and that also is true for Verizon.
I contend that they have the old telephone company mentality from when
they were the only game in town and damn the customer. Wife won't give
up the land lines and we had three problems in the last three months.
One static issue took over a week to fix. I had two neighbors that lost
FIOS service for nearly a week. Would never be this long with Comcast.
I do hear from neighbors that FIOS has better signal. Both Verizon and
Comcast will give you a one - two year deal on their triple play for
about $100. Then price goes up and you have to renegotiate.
To me, inherently there is more expense in installing FIOS and its
equipment so to profit they may have to charge more in the long run.
I have ATT for wireless service (iPhones for my wife and me). As far as
I am concerned, the service is great. Better than our prior Sprint, and
I love my iPhone 4S. Combined total cost is $120/mo.
All telecom companies have the old mentality - catch a customer and
overwhelm him/her with fees and taxes, and keep them with a contract.
For me, it's a question of weighing the pros and cons. ATT technology
(GSM) has advantages over CDMA, such as simultaneous web access and
telephone conversation, ability to use the same phone in Europe (albeit
with great care due to the roaming costs). Perhaps Verizon has better
coverage, but here in the greater NY City area, Sprint was definitely
worse than ATT.
FiOS TV and internet are better than what I had before I got Vz DSL.
Cablevision was the worst, certainly wasn't optimum.
There is no inherent limitation of CDMA to prevent simultaneous voice
and data. That has been part of the spec for at least 10 years. All that
is required is a suitable chipset in the handset. My almost two year old
handset is CDMA and does simultaneous voice and data.
As far as roaming it is an incredible cash cow for the carriers. They
get a bill from the foreign carrier for say $80 and hit you for $500.
I have a Tracfone which costs me $99/year to get about 600 renewable
minutes, i.e unused minutes roll over.
My phone was nearly 10 years old and getting long in the tooth and new
one only $14.
If you don't talk a lot on the phone and are mainly interested in using
it occasionally I don't think there is a better bargain. Plus it
piggybacks the big services and if any available in any area you will
get a signal.
May be more difficult to activate as you have to do it over the phone or
on line. Initial purchase give you phone with a few minutes to do it
but probably better on line. Renewing on line is a piece of cake
needing only phone number and credit card.
if you talk a lot net 10 and verizon wireless both offer a 50 buck a
month unlimited phone itext picture message and crippled internet to
check e mail etc.
cricket offers the same for 35 bucks a month.
republic wireless is beginning to roll out a unlimited plan for 19
bucks a month that uses wi fi when available to cut cell time.
if all this keeps up they will be paying consumers to talk on the phone
As long as I can get to a VA Canteen once in a while I can nurse my TF
with 1000's of minutes along for about $30/year.
I'm kinda stunned when people say they pay $150/month for TV/phone/net.
That's already a significant chunk of change, and as a reoccurring
expense...no way I could justify that for entertainment. Anyone paying
amounts like that should start mooing right now 'cause just a cash cow.
Next month marks 1 year with Uverse DSL. In that time there has been
exactly one bill for the correct amount and that was only because a
CSR manually applied credits so the total would come out to what it was
supposed to be.
I have net10 but trackphone is from the same company and more or less
the same thing although they are not interchangeable and walmart's
straight talk is from the same company.. In my zip code area they
usually piggyback on ATT network. I see walgreens has a trackphone for
20 bucks with 200 minutes. You can try it and see if it works for you.
It's not a smart phone by any means but I like the small size, it
works. Inflation is measured in many ways but the cost of making a long
distance phone call is one thing that is a hell of a lot cheaper than it
was 20 years ago.
and you might want to check out Skype or google talk.
On 2/11/2012 10:08 AM, email@example.com wrote:
I hear ya about the $250 a month.
U-verse looks like TV via Internet from what I read on their web site,
not exactly hi-def in my experience. Apparently hi-def via Internet
isn't too common yet - see:
Verizon land line phone and DSL service is good (actually excellent)
here but alas no fios yet in my neighborhood. By the way, WIFI modems
are available, Verizon sold us one for $90 and it is strong enough to
work anywhere on our property, just over an acre. By buying it outright
there is no added monthly fee and they do stand behind the product as
the first one went belly up and they replaced it free.
Han's all inclusive fios service for $150 a month is a pretty good deal
considering the included DVR and Internet speeds. 25-Mbps should be able
to deliver hi-def. Although if you add in cell phone service he is
probably still in our price range.
Unfortunately for me the wife can't live without a TV in nearly every
room, we have 6 TVs, 3 basic & 3 free digital boxes but no hi-def or
DVR, although the 3 digital cable TVs are real close to hi-def. Nor can
she live without a land line and included 24-7 long distance. Add in our
pair of Iphones and we are also in the $250+ range.
Speaking of Iphones:
When the Iphone sign up is over I am going to get myself a cheapo talk
only phone. Actually I like text *but only if* it has a fold out
keyboard that I can avoid hitting 4 keys at once. I will say that text
messages from me on the thing are just 'best guess', I can see why the
kiddies made up their own language for the things.
On the other hand Internet over a gadget as small and twitchy as an
Iphone is just plain stupid! Its just not made for normal human fingers
... munchkins only need apply! Typing on the baby keyboard is bad enough
but gesturing a web page to human readable size is an exercise in
futility what with hot spots and buttons scattered all about the screen
... LOL ... what a POS! Everything I touch its either 'Copy this!' or
'Now where did that frickin page go?' Google likes to suggest things
when you use bad spelling or composition, but for me it has no clue?
I have had U-Verse for slightly over three years. I pay about $150 a
month for phone, Internet, and U-200 with a DVR and two boxes each
month. That includes taxes. HD is $10 more each month.
I like the ability to program the DVR via the Internet, so that is what
I normally do early each morning. Overall I have had very few problems
with my installation. When something needed attention, they were here
quickly and fixed it right. That is more than I could say for Comcast,
who I had before U-Verse.
I do know of some neighbors who were not happy with the service, but
often it was their own fault. One neighbor was complaining to me about
the TV remotes not working, and I discovered they had taken the remote
for the bedroom and left it in the front room and vice versa. Another
had a cheap phone that caused problems with their telephone. Of course
the homeowners could not bring themselves to admit the problem was not
AT&T, but themselves.
Finally the house wiring needs to be in very good condition for U-Verse.
If the home is old and you have corroded connections, you will
encounter problems with U-Verse.
Overall, I am happy. Like everything, I wish it were cheaper. But that
can be said for anything you buy. If you have any more questions, post
them. I will try to answer them.
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