Massachusetts Electrical Code

I'd be very concerned if there was a swimming pool in the middle of my driveway too.

around pittsburgh those round pools are often set up in driveways, flat solid surface that will not get muddy when water gets splashed. i had a smaller one in my driveway.. when i was a kid. my neighbor had bucks, a 24 foot round one.....

Sounds impossible to do safely. Would he like a burger cooked without heat?

I agree about the Home Depot but I m also in a state that does allow owner/builder permits so there is no excuse for it. I was also able to pull permits in Maryland years ago when I lived there. The inspectors were pretty helpful in Maryland.

By the time I was pulling permits here in Florida, I was an inspector so it was really just another set of eyes on my work but mostly just yacking for a few minutes. When I was working for the state, most of the work I inspected was not being done by electricians. We had DOT maintenance man electricians, Park ranger electricians, Volunteer electricians and prisoner electricians. Fortunately I was not under any time restraints so I could give things a good look and help them along when necessary.

trader_4 wrote in news:f52881f3-f4a6-4688-9527-e07e77324b52 @googlegroups.com:

Of course they'll pay the claim. They have a contract with the homeowner that obligates them to do that. Then they'll sue the electrician to recover.

What happens when your car is hit by someone who has no insurance? *Your* insurance pays for the damage to your car and for your medical expenses -- then attempts to recover whatever they can from the other driver personally.

I think you may have misunderstood my point. I agree with you. My point was that the poster said an insurance agent said that they would "generally" pay a claim where a fire was caused by a negligent electrician. I agree with you, they will always pay it. The generally part is BS.

trader_4 wrote in news:24181283-6953-473a-a42b-506febb161e8 @googlegroups.com:

Ahh, yes, I did misunderstand you. Sorry.

I had that. When my daughter tried to elope, the boy had his lights off so my wife and I woudlnt' see them and he drove right into the pool. Couldnt' get his car started after that.

I wonder though, if insurance didn't pay for a homeowner's negligence, if they woudl be less negnlgent.

With a car, if you're negligent, there's usually as much chance you'll be hurt as that someone else will, but you don't even have to be present when a lot of home negligence causes injuries to people.

We should ban home insurance for personal injury and make everyone pay the consquences. ;-)

Ban personal injury for who? The neighbor who trips on the bucket you left on the sidewalk? Or you, the homeowner, who trips over it? AFAIK, homeowner's insurance already will only pay for the first claim. AFAIK, they won't pay for your own injury.

If you want to say that they shouldn't pay for damage, like a fire, resulting from leaving a stove unattended, then I think you better think the consequences of such a policy through a bit.

Not true. A master plumber can not perform work. Only a journeyman can can perform the work. The journeyman can have an apprentice working with them as well. A master is a business license. A person can have both a journeyman for working and a master for business.

A homeowner living in a single family can do done electrical. It will probably be very scrutinized by the inspector if there is no licensed electrician. In a multi family or in a home (not the homeowner), or for hire.. must be a licensed electrician.

Not true and a leaky faucet is not plumbing, replacement is due to the water act. Stores that operate in other states (like HD) can sell in Ma because the laws in other states may allow such repairs or fixtures.

Waaay too much government ;-)

I agree in principle but have you seen some of the work done by owners? Sure, some is perfect but some is pure danger. I'd not want to live in a multi-family with some work I've seen. Like receptacles wired with

Burn your house down but don't take me with you.

As someone that worked in a large plant with about 100 in the electrical depaetment I have seen very good ones and some that I would not let them change the battery in a one cell flashlight,

So do what you want tgo your house, but not in the town house types.

I just feel sorry for the next home owner.

I want to see regs that say a master can't work with the tools. I offhand know of 4 masters that worked as electricians.

If a master is considered an apprentice, then they can work if they can find a master to supervise them.

does a single family residence with a breaker panel in the basement require a shut off main switch next to the panel box?

Not knowing what, if anything, is enforced where you are - in general --

A service panel, where power comes into the house, must have a disconnect. That is commonly a "main" (service disconnect) breaker in the service panel.

The panel must be the shortest practical distance into the house (like power comes into a basement through a rim joist just above the panel).. If it is further into the house there has to be a "service disconnect" (with fuses/breaker) outside. That is because the service wires have minimal protection from the utility and the unprotected distance in the house is limited. The utility service wires may have an available fault current of 5,00-10,000 amps for long enough to do a lot of damage. The service disconnect, inside or outside, provides overcurrent protection for what is connected.

Some jurisdictions may require an outside disconnect for firemen.

Ask the local jurisdiction that inspects electrical installations.