If at your age it has to be explained to you, no - it won't matter to
you. There is no functional difference. Just as painting all of the
walls of your house the same color is more 'functional' than all of
those fussy different colors. It's an aesthetic thing. A
professional that doesn't worry about aesthetics is not a
Ever see a panelboard that looks like spaghetti? Still works just
fine, right? No functional difference. But a professional cares how
it looks and, at least in the case of the panelboard, tries to make it
easier for the next guy.
Dressing the wires in a service panel well does serve a function- makes
it easier to trace and diagnose circuits. As does labeling circuits. Not
just for power panels, comm panels also benefit greatly from good cable
dressing. Aligning the slots in the screws is OCD.
Since you're quibbling, I'll quibble, too. What you describe is not a
functional difference, but a difference in ease of maintenance.
Tracing and labeling circuits don't make the electrons flow more
easily or lower the electrical bill. They are not functional
differences. The issue of maintenance is the point I mentioned
earlier - professionals make it easier for the next guy and pay
attention to all aspects of their work, not just "git her done." And
by professionals I don't mean people that simply earn their income in
a certain area.
And? What's your point? OCD is a stupid designation made by stupid
people to conveniently place other people in categories that the
stupid people made up for their convenience, most likely so the stupid
people could put the designated people in those stupid categories and
check off the stupid ICD-9 list so the stupid insurance industry could
disallow coverage more easily.
Do you think for one minute that the standout kids of your high school
class wouldn't be classified as OCD? Hey, the kid never stops
dribbling that basketball - OCD. That kid's got his nose stuck in a
book 24/7 - OCD. What is with her and that baton?! OCD. Sure, there
are extremes of anything, and OCD is no different. At the extremes
where people can't function it's obviously a problem, but whether you
want to acknowledge it or not, most of the stuff you admire and lust
after were creations of people who no doubt would be classified by
those stupid people as OCD.
If a restaurant has a sloppy kitchen that does not automatically mean
that the food is bad, but it's probably a damn good indication. An
immaculate kitchen is no guarantee of great food, but you're far more
likely to get good food out of a restaurant where it is. And less
likely to pick up some bug.
Did you ever try to get someone interested in something where they had
no interest? Kinda tough, idn't it? Did you ever try to make someone
_lose_ interest in something they were interested in? That's
impossible. People are designed that way. It's what keeps people
working late at night, makes them wake up fired up and raring to go,
and it's what makes work play for some people.
Would you rather hire someone who took care with all aspects of
working on _your_ building, no matter how small, or would you rather
hire the guy who only worried about what the last coat of paint looked
That is obviously a rhetorical question as you wouldn't be dicking
around answering questions to help people do the right thing in their
homes if you only cared about "git her done."
There is only one thing in this world that has any truth to it -
quality. And it's sad that you feel a need to disparage that which
you apparently do not understand simply because you don't see a
'need'. You see, the OCD professionals have a word for people that
don't take pride in all aspects of their work - a hack.
Those aligned screws? Where else is an electrician's work on display
for everybody to see? It's all hidden behind the walls and behind a
panel board cover. Those screws are the only things that your average
person sees that the electrician has done, and as far as I'm concerned
their not paying attention to the visible stuff doesn't bode well for
their unseen stuff.
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:24:57 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
When I put those screws in my concern is getting them to the right
tightness to properly snug down the plate and make everything in the
right plane. Making all the slots line up would sometimes defeat
getting things in the right plane so the face of the outlets/switches
are just flush with the cover plate. I'm much more concerned with the
cover being flush then with the screw slots being aligned. And I
think users would be more likely to notice non-flush covers then
unaligned screw slots. If you can do both, that's even better.
I'd say you need to get out more. It is a common practice among journeymen
electricians, and it shows that what is behind the cover plate will be
right, too. It's a signature thing, not practiced or understood by sloppy
You know, I can see both sides of this discussion. (We haven't started
arguing yet, but trust me, it's coming!)
Vertical screws *could* mean "pride in their work" and "that what is
behind the cover plate will be right, too" or it could mean a couple
of other things:
1 - "I'll put lipstick on this pig and they'll think I did a quality
2 - "I *think* I know all about wiring, but I really don't know a damn
thing about it. The one thing I do I know is that the pros set their
screws vertically, so I'm going to do that too. I, therefore, must be
Bottom line: vertical screws may not mean anything at all...then
again, they might.
You really don't know unless you pull a few covers and see what's
behind the curtain.
I am an expert welder. I can look at another welder's work, and tell from
looking if it is good or not. There are certain things to look for, just as
in all crafts, but those things go right over the head of a layman.
I too am a professional welder , son and father of boilermakers. I can
most completely assure you, you CAN NOT judge a weld by appearance. If
you could, then we could save millions of dollars by not having to x-ray
welds. And I can also assure you that lining up screws on a damn
electrical plate is the most ridiculous waste of time I've ever heard
of, and it means nothing.
remove the "not" from my address to email
You seem to be reading selectively. Please go back and reread the
thread and see if you can find the part where you made the assumption
that someone said that neatness was a GUARANTEE of quality. Actually,
I'll save you the time - nobody said that. What was said by more than
a few people is that neatness counts. Where's your beef with that?
Do you shower and shave every day, or are you a scruffy guy? If
you're a scruffy guy, and it's a Friday night and the missus wants to
go out, do you shave and shower or insist on being scruffy? If you're
the type that insists on being scruffy, well, there's no point in
carrying this conversation any further, is there? If not, ask your
missus whether she likes you cleaned up or scruffy.
See, there's the other point. When you do work not everybody notices
everything, but somebody will notice. Many times it's the wife who
has a sharper eye than the husband. But you know who I get the most
compliments from about my work? Other contractors. Many times it's
the homeowner telling me what a contractor said to them about my
work. The guy will come into their house for whatever reason -
friend, relative, doing work, whatever - and they'll say, "That guy
does nice work." Perhaps you don't care, but I kind of get the warm
fuzzies when I hear that. But I don't do the little things for other
people - I do them for me.
When you see a welded aluminum frame and the welds are all neat little
stacks of nickels running around curved tubes, what do you think? Do
you think that the guy was a newbie and doesn't care about his work,
or do you think, nice welds, looks good, guy knew what he was doing?
More to the point - what do your welds look like? Post some pictures
I want to see them. Seriously. If they look like shit I'll figure
that you simply don't care about such things. If they're nice clean
welds (which is probably a safe assumption as you're obviously proud
of being in a family of welders), then it's simply a matter of you not
realizing that there are some people that are concerned about how ALL
of their work looks. Even the trivial stuff.
No, Usenet is the most ridiculous waste of time. We all know that, it
just happens to be fun.
I installed some credit card readers for a big retail chain and all the
screws had tamper proof heads. They were not just tamper proof torx, the
screws were a proprietary pattern. None of my tamper proof torx heads
fit them because the splines were at different odd angles.
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