Some times it looks like my garage is cluttered but those old bolts etc
can be used in other ways. Do you never throw out stuff especially if
is has possible multiple use options? Guess it could be called part
saving. Funny I save no electronic stuff with the exception of various
cables but find the connectors keep changing like UBS or firewall. Sort
of makes recycling harder for sure.
FWIW, I think the lost bike is to the right of the grey coil of wire(?) and
the left of the rectangular bucket with the blue label with the red line
across it. I assume that because the reflective license plate (we have to
turn ours in now under serious penalty) is overexposed as it would be in a
flash photo at precisely the right angle. What is the vehicle with the red
milk crate and orange wire in the back? We have a lot of the same junk,
although my wife would fail you big time on the fluorescent lamps stored
glass out. (-: And maybe that sky-hooked ladder depending on its moorings.
I have a personal question. Feel free to ignore it. Are you both married,
singled, widowed or what? I married late in life, and as part of that
Faustian bargain (which has worked out pretty well so far) I agreed to a
serious decluttering of my bachelor life style. Implementation, however,
has proceeded at Federal contracting speed (as in not much progress for the
last 4 years and then a sudden flurry of work as final deliverables come
However, a big move (our last, we've agreed) is on the horizon and has
brought a sort of shocking realization. Nineteen Pentium 3 and 4 class
machines will have to go, the collection of 3/4" furniture-grade plywood and
scraps must go, 300' or so feet of double-slotted shelving standards and
matching brackets must go (my junk is at least well organized!), stacks of
old VCR, receivers, TV's, cassette decks, darkroom gear, CCTV gear, conduit,
miles of smurf tube, spools of wire (250' 12-2 Romex NIB OS - marked
$14.23 - guess what year I bought *that*), all must go. Oh, the humanity.
Not moving looks pretty attractive compared to the ocean of junk that needs
to be dealt with!
Anyway, our big concern now is what are of the US (or maybe even outside the
US) meets our needs and desires and isn't going to turn into a "tax the
property owners to death" state because of the projected shortfalls in local
government revenues. She wants to be near an area with good skiing within
driving range (mostly because flying is now such a hassle) and I want to
live in a climate like San Diego. So far, it's been a tough search.
Somebody find the cite for those two brothers in New York City, I believe.
They had a whole building. They made booby traps, and one got caught in one
of his own under tons of newspapers. They found him a few years later.
They had even brought in a Ford Model T frame and partial car. Happened
probably in the thirties or forties, and they found out about the missing
brother when the surviving one got sick.
Collyer Brothers, the patron saints of hoarders:
Homer Lusk Collyer (November 6, 1881 - March 21, 1947) and Langley Collyer
(October 3, 1885 - March 1947) were two American brothers who became famous
because of their snobbish nature, filth in their home, and compulsive
hoarding. For decades, neighborhood rumors swirled around the rarely seen,
unemployed men and their home at 2078 Fifth Avenue (at the corner of 128th
Street), in Manhattan, where they obsessively collected newspapers, books,
furniture, musical instruments, and many other items, with booby traps set
up in corridors and doorways to protect against intruders. Both were
eventually found dead in the Harlem brownstone where they had lived as
hermits, surrounded by over 130 tons of waste that they had amassed over
That was very similar to the case of Homer and Langley Collyer.
Langley was suspected in the death of his brother and was the subject of a
huge manhunt after his brother's body was discovered when neighbors
complained about an unpleasant odor. It turned out he had died a few weeks
before, killed by a booby trap of newspapers he had made to keep thieves
out. His blind and invalid brother Homer also died soon after Langley, who
had been caring for him. The newspapers of the time kept running articles
about the supposed treasure trove the brothers had in their mansion which
inspired near nightly raids on their house. Hence the booby traps, which
like so many other such traps, ending up trapping its maker and not the
criminals it was intended for.
Hoarding is an affliction that seems to bother observers a lot more than it
does the hoarder. In many cases, when there is an "intervention" the
hoarder either quickly restocks the hoard or dies very soon after from the
incredible stress of watching stuff (mostly junk) that they've come to
treasure, being dumped in the trash. Just imagine how you would feel if
someone came in and threw out most of your belongings? In the case of
hoarders, they attach great value to things you and I would consider junk.
So, to them, it's as if someone came in and junked their big screen TV,
their tools, their clothes, etc.
It's thought to be an obsessive-compulsive disorder, but its causes,
treatment and cure are still quite elusive. I save stuff because once I
have something, and know where it is, it becomes part of my brain. Throwing
it out seems to be like deliberately forgetting something. Many of the
hoarders I've seen are quite intelligent and well aware of their "problem"
and show very little interest in changing their ways. There's a hierarchy
of hoarding listed here:
I am not quite sure where I stratify, but I think it's level II (or maybe
Ah, a combination of peaceful co-existence and containment. (-;
Just a room full? (-:
I gradually replaced them with Fujitsu tablets from Ebay that had touch
screens ten years before the Ipad showed up and that draw about 17W each
(and even less on standby) compared to the 135W the desktops ate. The
desktops were all hand-built, and each one was usually a slight improvement
over the one it was replacing. The years that PIII's were evolving saw an
incredible number of "must have" changes - USB 2.0, XGA, gigabyte hard
disks, CD and DVD burners and more. It's not that way anymore. The only
thing the old 400-600MHz PC's won't do well is record/process HD TV or play
the latest video games (SFW!).
Ironically software of the period has no problem playing MPG files and
DVD's, but not versions that are just a few years newer. Now programmers are
so used to having oodles of memory, CPU and diskspace that nothing's coded
compactly or elegantly anymore. I just bought a Toshiba laptop with Win7
because a few sites we deal with demand more recent software than W2KPro,
but I hate it. I would like to know how much productivity has been lost
nationwide having people learn new ways of doing things that aren't really
better, just different. I recall Steve Jobs saying that Apple's quicker
boot time saved the world thousands of man years when you add up all the
time people sit around waiting for their PC's to boot up. I mean why change
"Find" to "Search" unless you're just out to confuse your customers?
I pick up old computers at the 2nd hand store, get them going and give
them away to someone that doesn't have one. A pretty good hobby and
cheap. Some of the P4s I hate to let go but there's always another one
sooner or later. Main problem lately is people are taking the hard
drives out before donating them to the God place that has the 2nd hand
store. That place is filling up with old CRT TVs as people switch over
I used to give away the old machines, but it turned out to be a bad idea. I
became the technical support for such machines, and a common complaint was
"They won't play <insert popular game of the month here>" I would tell the
parents that's a GOOD thing, because kids will be using the machines for
schoolwork and not game playing. Didn't matter.
I finally gave up after one person kept installing animated cursors and
boatloads of some of the seediest looking PD shareware garbage that slowed
an already slow (200MHz PII) down pretty seriously. It was still absolutely
fine for schoolwork, running Quicken, making Powerpoint presentations, etc.
I ran for years doing programming and WP - had an AST TurboLaser board and
laser that went with it (that's about the time HP won the laser printer
wars). I told them that at the time, the machine and laser printer were
still worth at least $700 and they were over $6000 new. Something just
slightly faster from Circuit City would cost at least $1000 and wouldn't
come with a laser printer or any service other than "you need to reformat
One day, when I realized I hadn't heard from them in a while, I called only
to find out that they had "junked it" and as far as I could tell, they were
still having the same old problems with their new Circuit City computer,
multiplied by 10 because now they were on the Internet and corresponding
with Nigerian Princes with slight banking problems. (-:
And that's why there are 19 PC's stacked in the basement. Less trouble for
me to hang on to and possibly be able to restore an Email from 15 years ago
if I ever needed to. I stopped doing almost all my tech support efforts
after that, figuring that the old saw was right "no deed goes unpunished."
I am kind of looking forward to seeing which ones will start up after a
5-15 years nap. I'm betting it won't be many. My laptop collection has not
fared well without exercise. The New Year's resolution that I would
exercise them lasted about as long as they all do. Some beep, some don't
and some have their CMOS backup batteries located in impossible to service
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:27:09 -0500, "Robert Green"
I also have a wall of beige in the basement. Luckily it really doesn't
take up much room since it's only 6" thick or so. I could probably
just pull all the drives, copy all the data onto a tiny sliver of a
spare 1tb drive, and get rid of them all. But they do no harm sitting
there. One is a 450 that I overclocked to 500. One is a 120. Somehow I
doubt I'll ever need them again.
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