Your point is well taken.
Part of a rant (not mine) on another newsgroup, entitled "The Pussification
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Just this past 4th of July weekend some punks were blowing of
fireworks in the park behind my house. I had no problem with this
until they started launching shit into my backyard. I marched over
there and gave them two choices. I guess that makes me pro-choice.
They had the choice to launch their shit at my house or away from
my house. The consequences of course would be different for each
choice. They chose to launch away from my house- the correct
choice. My neighbors chastised me for being so rash and
challenging the punks. "What if they would have had a gun?" My
response was that we would have had a gun fight. You see I'd
rather do something and take the chance then to have my sons see
me cower behind the curtains like half a fag.
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I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on
three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from
horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the
Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and
lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a
passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am.
NOW, GO HOME, BOY!
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I guess I'm closer, in attitude, to these two expressions.
Speaking of guns, in our industry, we use a pneumatic operated venturi fill
mechanism on molds to blow material into it. They have been knows as "fill
guns" since 1955 when they were invented. No problem until about 10 years
ago when anything with the word "gun" on import/export paper was flagged.
Could be held up in transit for weeks. We know call them fill injectors.
I'm just a part-time sales associate at the Depot and I've been told many
many times to never confront a thief. The reason's simple: ain't no lawn
mower or light bulb worth dying over...and these days when kids shoot other
kids for dissing 'em...makes a whole lot of sense.
And BTW, the vending machines don't belong to the Depot anyway....they're
put there on a commission basis by the bottler.
That's very true if it's *some else's* lawn mower vs. *your* life.
OTOH, if it's your mower, then it's really not about your mower, but
rather it's about your ability to live free without constant and
continuing fear of being a victim.
Then again, many people in this country are conditioned to be victims.
You can't shoot a guy just for being in your house (in states without a
"Castle Doctrine" law).
You can ALWAYS shoot someone if you are in fear of your life - doesn't
matter, ever, whether he's in your house, across the street, or on the moon.
What you say at the first interview will set in motion an almost irrevocable
chain of events. Contrast:
"He then pulled a large-caliber pistol and pointed it in my direction. I, in
fear of my live, discharged my own weapon."
"He went for his piece and I smoked him."
The best thing is to avoid that first interview: "I'd like to help officer,
but I don't feel too well. I think I'm having a heart attack. I really need
to go to the hospital."
Let's apply this to the message that started the thread. If a guy's stealing
change from a soda machine outside Home Depot, you're going to have one hell
of a time proving you were in fear for your life when they find out he
wasn't armed with anything but his house keys.
There is another way to solve that. Stop fearing it.
When I buy a used car, I assume it will need 2000 dollars worth of
repairs. If it doesn't, I'm ahead.
When I buy a house, I assume I'll have to spend some money on repairs.
I assume I'm going to lose a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff
because of crime during my lifetime, and so far I've lost less, so I'm
If I lose 2000 some day, I'll raise my expectation to four thousand.
Cost of doing business. Cost of living. I have a home alarm and a
car alarm, but I'm not going to let my blood pressure climb to avoid
theft. Fearing crime wouldnt even help.
And of all the crimes that have been committed against me, I was only
present for 3 of them, and only lost about 15 dollars total. (the 3rd
time was 25 years ago.)
It's the crimes when I wasn't there that have cost me the most.
Although I do like the time, 2 lawmmowers were stolen from under my
deck, don't know when. They were there in the fall and not in the
spring. I had three mowers and none worked and I was taking parts
from all of them to try to fix any one of them. One wasn't under the
deck. I never could fix any of them, and I'm sure the theives
couldn't fix the two they took. They saved me the trouble of getting
rid of them.
**(Not counting the stock broker who lied to my mother and cost her
thousands of dollars in taxes, money that would otherwise have gone to
my brother. The broker did this just for the commission, and she
didn't use a gun. Ironically, my mother was fully competent, but old
people are still the common targets.)
I also worked in a convenience store with the same type of policy. I think
the reason is because of the insurance the stores carry. All merchandise and
monies are covered but your life is not. Besides I have heard of a store
employee injured during the commision of a crime and sued the store owner.
If you were killed, your family may sue them.
And the message we're sending the thieves is "do whatever you want &
we won't stop you". Doesn't take long for that message to spill over
from store merchandise to customer's property.
I agree employees should not attempt to stop thieves, but the stores
really need to get tough to put a stop to it. I've seen whole
shopping centers completely shut down because no one had the balls to
stop crime issues and customers just quit shopping there.
Stores and manufacturers, over time, have made changes to make products
more difficult to steal. Examples: printer cartridges either have huge
packages or are not on the shelf = you take a ticket for the item you
want and clerk gets it from stock. CD's with electronic tags. The
fabric shop I shop at regularly sells pre-cut fabric in 1/4 yard folded
condition, a very small, concealable item - each has a little label
inside with electronic-looking printing. Employee theft has been in the
news - didn't Walmart just change their policy about theft by minors?
For the neighborhood, police and politicians are of help, if you live
I call the cops regularly about neighbors screaming, prowlers, insane
drivers, etc. I called once when I saw someone lurking in the dark at
the condo next-door at about 3 am. I went outside to peek around the
corner first, and next thing I knew the guy was standing behind me.
"I'd like to explain why I am here.", he says. I made a bee-line for
the phone and when the cops came he was sitting in a car across the
street. According to the cop, the prowler was training to do undercover
detective work, and the cop bought the story. Couple of years later, I
was shopping nearby and discovered a store-front business for a security
training biz. Guess he was ok, but I could have shot him first and then
called the cops :o)
Hubby is retired cop, and we have a neighbor who likes to knock on our
door for police matters. She is always drunk, probably in late stages
of cirrhosis, and not much of a threat to anyone. She can barely stand
much of the time. She came to the door one day because her hubby had
allegedly tried to strangle her. She didn't have any visible injury,
but I figured the cops should know, just in case. And I thought it
might discourage her from bringing her trouble to my door. She wasn't
pleased, but I told her I could not ignore it if I thought someone was
being hurt by someone else. Cops told me she hangs out with homeless
people - probably banned from all the nearby bars and has nobody else to
drink with. The drunks in the local bars are a tad classier :o)
For example, Lowes policy is that a shoplifter/thief must have
continual video coverage from exiting their car in the parking lot,
entering the store, continual unbroken coverage throughout the store
including picking up said merchandise, exiting the store without
paying, and reentering their car before they can be confronted by loss
prevention. Quite impossible to inforce in most cases.
Again a true example I personally witnessed, a perp exited the store
with a shopping cart containing several boxed weedeaters which set off
the alarm. Employee approached the guy and said "sir, may I see your
sales receipt?" Guy said "hell no, I ain't showing you nuttin!" and
off he went. Store policy mentioned above was probably not met so
store did nothing. Store should have the authority to demand a sales
receipt or demand return of items. If refused, store should turn video
over to the police.
Another thing stores do: items are stolen from store 1, driven across
town to store 2, taken to customer service and asks for a refund
without a sales receipt, which the store gladly provides. No refund
for items over $x.xx without a sales receipt would stop that kind of
losses. Yea, some legit customers will be affected, but they'll learn
to hang on to their sales receipts.
I am of the opinion that firing an employee acting on a natural
instinct to do good is very inappropriate punishment. To enforce
store policy, and it is a good policy, perhaps a known fine (of $300?)
to be paid to the store employees' annual picnic fund would be more
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