Why? Most responses are to houses, etc. and the two story ladder
would work. Even largest percentage of non-residential responses are
probably one or two story strip malls, warehouses, etc. In most of the
times when you need higher ladders you will be able to use the ladder
trucks or quints.
Again why? You want to take a piece of apparatus out of service
for an extended period of time or risk damage to it when the main
situation is stablized and there is no immediate danger. That makes a
hell of a lot of sense.
Yep, take down some trees for no apparent reason when there are
other options available and the situation is not immediately
threatening. Lawsuit waiting to happen there .
You woudl probably be wrong.
Okay the real reason comes out. You don't like FF for some reason.
Yep. They should just barge in and get their own selves possibly shot
up so you can feel better about their response.
I agree that the SWAT teams in Columbine blew it- There is a lunch
truck in the video!!!!! Those idiots need some b@LLs. Even cops
think that in that type of situation the officers need to barge in and
get the perps startled and lives will be saved.
If my kid was in that school they'd have needed to chain me up or I'd
have been in there taking care of business. Those cowards dont
deserve a badge. Letting the killers have all the time they wanted is
not good policy. Too many died because of that delay. This is why
criminals in America are so brazen. They know cops and citizens are
impotent to put them out.
On Apr 5, 1:53 pm, email@example.com wrote:
Ummm....Did you guys miss all the coverage somehow? That they were
following policy just like all the other departments had the same
policy. Did you somehow miss that that policy was changed nationwide
That columbine case was an easy take down- anyone with a gun gets
dropped. anyone suspicious gets cuffe and searched. Letting the
killers walk around at leisure was cowardice- plain and simple. Those
kids wouldnt be brave if a skilled shooter had the drop on them
Umm, I sure hope your house doesn't catch on fire anytime soon or a
loved one doesn't end up in a hostage situation Your ignorance of the
fire service only makes you look like an idiot. Why would they have a
ladder that is taller than any building in town? Come on! There is a
huge difference between a ladder from the hardware store and a piece
of fire equipment. If you can show me the city or town that would
approve the purchase of a ladder truck just in case someone climbs up
a tree after a bird, I'll give you credit for your statement. Until
then, quit commenting in ignorance.
On 5 Apr 2007 06:59:24 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
What I don't get is, the shmuck with the parrot managed to get
into the the tree. (I assume the parrot flew). Therefore,
the chances are good that a Rescue team member could, to.
After that, you don't need a ladder, you need a rope.
I expect they called out the helo because it was a good
opportunity to get some relatively safe training time in,
With the money not having to come from the training budget.
But I suppose it could have been a case of, when you've got
a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Would depend a lot on where he ended up I would suppose. First and
probably foremost, the FD (unlike the civilian) has to answer to OSHA
and various other people on safety issues. If the person got too high up
in tree, there could be concerns about getting too much weight from
other people in the area causing branches to break. Could be similar
concerns about looping ropes around, etc. The FF would have to have some
sort of safety apparatus to keep them safe from falling that might mess
up the ability to get to the guy.
As has been noted on numerous occassions, I have yet to see a
cat's skeleton in the tree. I am thinking that if the guy had gotten
hungry enough, he would have found a way down (g).
A rescue team member could probably climb up there, but it would be
very dangerous for him. People who are stupid enough to get themselves
into such situations can behave unpredictably and endanger their
rescuers. Plus, the hazards of the climb and physical effort required
also makes it more hazardous.
Best I could find at Home Depot or Lowes was 40 foot for $350.00 and
that was only rated for 250 lbs. Don't know what the fire ladders are
rated for, but that would seem low by the time you get a FF, gear and a
rescuee on the ladder.
They claim to be the oldest supplier of fire ladders in North America. They
further state that all their extension and roof ladders are rated for 750lbs
with a 4:1 safety factor. I don't think you'll be buying one of these at the
True. But the original suggestion was that one could bop down locally
and grab a 40 footer for $350 or so. These guys you have to special
order and the cheapest 40 footer is over $1600. Not really within the
OP's stated parameters.
Well I ws giving him the benefit of the doubt (g). I did not find a
60 footer even at duosafety.com. The other consideration is how many
people would it take hump something that big from the truck to the
scene. That has to be heeaavvvvyyyy.
My point was that he was wrong... it couldn't be done. As for what you *could*
buy locally, I borrowed a ladder from across the street when I was running
satellite cable all over the outside of my father's house... including up to the
third floor. The ladder I borrowed was almost too heavy for me and my old man
to carry, and once we stood it up and leverage raised its ugly head, it really
became almost impossible to reposition.
That was a heavy duty ladder to be sure; but it wasn't anywhere near what the
fire department uses.
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