Not only that, to use e85 in my truck and break even, it needs to be 70-80 cents cheaper than regular gas. I think my truck looses 20% in power. Never tried it though.
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EPA to protect small engines
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Was at garage today. Was buying some lawnboy oil. One of the workers was going to drive me home, after learned my car was dangerous. He manned a position in the shop of working on small motorized tools and mowers. I said I sometimes use gas stabilizer. He showed me this stuff in a bottle that treated up to 150 gallons. He said it was to help limit the destructive nature of the alcohol. I don't know what it is, but I got lots of motorized tools.
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which puts the lie to the statement that taking ethanol out would lower the price of gas
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so you won't be voting for Ryan?
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:56:12 -0400, Mr.E wrote in Re Re: EPA to protect small engines:
I've been doing that for many years. It's a righteous strategy.
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Exactly, but the red and blue "teams" have everyone rolling in the dirt fighting over whether the blue or the red team is better while they continue business as usual.
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Depends, There are tax exemptions and subsidies for the ethanol blend. So while it is true that "standard" gasoline costs more at wholesale it is because we aren't directly paying the full cost of the ethanol blend.
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You're assuming the retail price is totally governed by cost + markup.
In this case, the retail price may be governed more by market demand, that is, what the buyer is willing to pay. Some people will pay a premium for the undiluted stuff.
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The destructive nature of ethanol is the greater solvent power. It can attack seals in engines not designed for it. It did in my snow thrower a couple of years ago when I left stabilized fuel in it.
Ethanol containing gas cannot be pipe-lined from refineries because the greater solvent power would take out any old gunk deposits and contaminate the fuel. Same for old gas tanks. When first mandated here, they had to close down gas stations for maybe a week to clean out the old tanks so they could contain E10.
Stormin is correct in that there are studies that show production of ethanol for fuel is nearly energy neutral - it takes as much energy to make it as you get out of it.
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If gasohol was successful, it would succeed on its own. Not having to be pushed on us by government mandate.
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Depends, There are tax exemptions and subsidies for the ethanol blend. So while it is true that "standard" gasoline costs more at wholesale it is because we aren't directly paying the full cost of the ethanol blend.
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Sorry to hear gasohol gave you trouble. Makes me wonder, when I got a used snow blower, it had some black specs floating in the fuel tank. Repeatedly clogged the carb, so I put inline fuel filter. Wonder if that was an ethanol failure?
I think the way to protect small engines is to give up on the gasohol concept, and use corn and wheat for animal feed and people food instead.
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The destructive nature of ethanol is the greater solvent power. It can attack seals in engines not designed for it. It did in my snow thrower a couple of years ago when I left stabilized fuel in it.
Ethanol containing gas cannot be pipe-lined from refineries because the greater solvent power would take out any old gunk deposits and contaminate the fuel. Same for old gas tanks. When first mandated here, they had to close down gas stations for maybe a week to clean out the old tanks so they could contain E10.
Stormin is correct in that there are studies that show production of ethanol for fuel is nearly energy neutral - it takes as much energy to make it as you get out of it.
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I don't know the exact problem as I just had the shop fix it. Later reading through the manual, it said don't use gas with alcohol in it. Impossible around here. Having it fixed and running tank dry at end of season has been working fine.
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So, screw the farmers. Typical. It's okay to take one for the team as long = as it's not *me*, right?
I am so sick of hearing people cry about how expensive food is and how it c= uts into their iPhone budget. People need to get some perspective and get t= heir priorities straight. We've still got the cheapest food in the world as= % of income, and most of it is the good tasting "fun" food, not tree bark = and lizard entrails.
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It's near time to get my snow blower running. I wonder if run it dry helped with my machine?
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I don't know the exact problem as I just had the shop fix it. Later reading through the manual, it said don't use gas with alcohol in it. Impossible around here. Having it fixed and running tank dry at end of season has been working fine.
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Geez. There is an obvious difference in having a unique product right now, ie gas without E in it and taking the E out of most of all of the gas. Right now they are charging a PREMIUM for the gas without E because they know there is a select market that is willing to pay more, eg someone with a small engine.
E still costs more per gallon equivalent than gasoline. And that is even with all the subsidies added in, which just make the comparison worse. Take it out and the price of gas will go down.
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g as it's not *me*, right?
As if today's farmers are straight out of a Norman Rockwell picture, sitting on the porch, with their suspenders on. Most of those profitting from ethanol subsidies are huge farming operations and large corporations. And there is plenty of demand today for grains around the world so that while grain prices will go down, farmers are not going to go broke.
This stupidity of subsidizing farmers has been something conservatives have railed against for decades. Today it has reached even more absurd extremes.
food is and how it cuts into their iPhone budget. People need to get some perspective and get their priorities straight. We've still got the cheapest food in the world as % of income, and most of it is the good tasting "fun" food, not tree bark and lizard entrails.
Tell that to the starving people in places like Africa that are eating tree bark and lizards because the worldwide price of food has been driven up by the tripling of grain prices due to diversion to ethanol.
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the prices of food would go down as well > as too much of the corn crop is= being diverted to this > eco-fuel boondongle... So, screw the farmers. Typ= ical. It's okay to take one for the team as long as it's not *me*, right? I= am so sick of hearing people cry about how expensive food is and how it cu= ts into their iPhone budget. People need to get some perspective and get th= eir priorities straight. We've still got the cheapest food in the world as = % of income, and most of it is the good tasting "fun" food, not tree bark a= nd lizard entrails.
What you need to understand is that today's farmer is not that little guy s= tanding with a hoe out in his field. Today it is big agribusiness typified= by Archer Daniels Midland, the guys that greased the political palms to ge= t them to legislate this boondoggle. No small farmers will be hurt by null= ification of the ethanol mandate.
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Some oil execs out there have to be smiling all the way to the bank. Gas without E costs less to produce, and they are now charging more.
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Geez. There is an obvious difference in having a unique product right now, ie gas without E in it and taking the E out of most of all of the gas. Right now they are charging a PREMIUM for the gas without E because they know there is a select market that is willing to pay more, eg someone with a small engine.
E still costs more per gallon equivalent than gasoline. And that is even with all the subsidies added in, which just make the comparison worse. Take it out and the price of gas will go down.
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5$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me... I don't know the exact problem as I just had the shop = fix it. Later reading through the manual, it said don't use gas with alcoho= l in it. Impossible around here. Having it fixed and running tank dry at en= d of season has been working fine.
I've never had problems with restarting engines I've run dry but it is alwa= ys best to check out your stuff way before it is needed. I'll crank up my = lawnmower a month before season because I know if it fails to start when I = need it the mower shop will be full of lawnmowers needing repair and I'll h= ave to wait a couple of weeks.
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without E costs less to produce, and they are now charging more. Christophe= r A. Young Learn more about Jesus
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Absolutely right. I have a retired friend who was a superindendent at our = local refinery tell me this. It was the same when I was in the fibers busi= ness. Product yields were in the 99+% for continuous process of spinning s= omething like polyester where a spinneret could last for over a month befor= e changing. What cost was switching from one product to another on the pro= duction line. In the case of polyester, it might cost half a shifts product= ion and loss of yield to switch over. That's what happens when all these bo= tique gasolines are mandated by technically ignorant politicians.