Yes, they are big, but I don't mind them so much because they usually
look quite ornamental.
Yes, I can't rule that out :-) Ours are just a length of 3/4" pipe all
the way through the case with aluminum fins around it. Next to useless in
terms of heat output, but they still take up space which means you can't
put something in front of them - in which case I'd much rather panel-
style radiators which produce more heat and get it to where it's needed
I could handle a ground-source heat pump here (too cold in winters for
air-source to work) - I've got the land space for the coils. Problem at
the moment is the costs, but that'll come down as more people have them.
Our baseboard electric's on a load-control setup (with the propane forced-
air setup there to pick up the slack), which means it's something like 6c/
kWh to run - it works out slightly cheaper than propane, I think.
Yes, heat rises, so a heated ceiling's probably only useful if you're a
Thanks for posting those links - I'll have to look into fitting some of
those outlets when I get around to rewiring our basement.
That's what they look like, but built into one of the end elbows is a
bleeder screw. They throw out a lot of heat, as long as they're kept
clean. There is a lot of surface area on the fins and the water
should be 180-190F.
The problem is that the efficiency is proportional to the temperature
rise, so the air exits at *maybe* 80F, which means a lot of air has to
be moved. It's *quite* drafty. Hydronic baseboards, OTOH, operate at
180-190F, so feel warmer without the drafts.
The thing to watch on electric baseboards is things blocking the
units. They will cause a fire. Hydronic baseboards will not, so long
drapes or furniture in front of them isn't a fire hazard.
Yeah, sorta. ;-)
If you don't have 240V appliances why bother? If you do, match their
Actually, the drafts are a plus in my house. Say we have cabbage for
dinner. With hydronic heat, I'd have to sit in my husband's
all evening. With forced air, I have some hope that it'll dissipate.
All joking aside, I've been wondering for quite a while if the air
in a radiant-heat house gets stagnant. Since it's comparatively
rare here in Michigan, I've no one local to ask.
I'm sure it does. Of course, the more chemicals you put into the air,
the more you breathe. Fingernail polish, smoking, various cooking,
etc. It is often needed, to open windows, even in winter.
Few hot air systems I've seen have any kind of fresh air intake, so
these houses suffer much the same.
My son didn't drive until he was 18; no interest. I had to get him off is
butt when my wife got sick and couldn't drive for six months. Taking her both
to and from work got to be a big problem with my work schedule.
On Aug 25, 8:54 pm, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
That's just crazy! When I was a lass, getting your driver's license
at 16 was a much-anticipated rite of passage. We didn't even
have a car, and I lined right up to get mine.
Kids nowadays. What're'ya gonna do?
Yeah, I got my license about a month after I turned 16. No point in
getting the license before my parents would let me take the car out
alone. ;-) I was one of the only males in my high school that year
to pass on the first try (the examiner liked the fact that I took the
test with a stick ;).
Grow 'em up and move 'em out. He's now 31 and married. ;-)
re: "No point in getting the license before my parents would let me
take the car out alone."
Unless you had a job that paid more if you had a license.
I worked for a corner drug store in Queens, NYC that delivered
prescriptions. When I was too young to drive (legally) I delivered
them on my bicycle and got 25 cents a delivery, plus tips. The guys
who could drive were making much more money because they could
delivery many more prescriptions during their shifts. They could also
go farther - into the better neighborhoods - which usually meant
The drug store always had a leased car for deliveries and the older
guys taught me how to drive long before I was legal.
"What's that smell?" "Uh, that would be the clutch. Good thing it's
As soon as I was able, I took my road test and started making the big
Someday I'll tell you the story of a leased car too trashed to be
returned, a gallon of gas, a burning broom thrown like a spear and a
I only know these things because I "helped" in the remodel of my home. I
fought my Father-unit tooth-and-nail the entire time I was living my
teenangst-riddled years. He didn't know half as much as my friends and if he
was able to provide a sample, I was quick to shoot it down as a poor sample.
As I got older, of course things changed, but I was still too slow to catch
on just how much he knew before he passed on. Saddest day I realized was the
day I called my Sainted Mother(tm) and asked, "So how do I do this again?"
"That was a lesson Dad tried to teach you. You didn't want to listen."
The same parents, with similar attitudes during the same times, are
lamenting their lack of listening skills because their kids have never seen
tools or had experiences that they did. <shrug>
Luckily for me, the foreman on the job saw potential and was willing to
"teach" me. It wasn't so much teach as letting me do it wrong until I was
totally frustrated and then saying, "I'd recommend doing it *this* way..."
Money and time meant a larger paycheck for him and a collej edumacation from
Hard Knocks U. for me but it was worth it.
My father *did* lack those mechanical skills with the exception of he
knew how to roof, courtesy of *his* father. But he generally needed to
call an electrician to swap out light bulbs, etc. His VCR always
Amazingly, he had Command Pilot wings and operated 4 engined transports
in the USAF. Of course, there he had a flight engineer to keep things up.
But my dad passed on something more important than mechanical skills
(which I developed just the same, courtesy of curiosity, DIY shows and a
lot of mistakes): a healthy skepticism for what I read and hear. I
can't say that he taught me how to think necessarily but he encouraged
me to examine what I did think for flaws.
It's made me a better man. And I change my own light bulbs, thank you.
I'm glad that people don't feel comfortable hanging wallpaper :)
FWIW I'm just barely outside that demographic and I consider myself
rather handy albeit not an expert.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
My previous house had the wallpaper applied directly to the
sheetrock. What an unholy mess. It would have been easier to tear
out all the sheetrock and start over. When we looked for our current
house, wallpaper was a significant deduction.
When I first became a home owner I knew nothing about how to repair
stuff. It took a long time but now, after 30+ years of living in this
house, I feel I can repair almost anything.
Kind of like I never knew much about repairing computers until I
bought a Packard Bell back in the 80's.
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