The local Home Depot is carrying a deck semi transparent stain - Behr "Premium Semi-Transparent Weatherproofing Deck, Fence & Siding Stain". The product info is at
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This product is offering the longest time warranty of all the semi- transparent stains at the stores in my area - 6 years for horizontal surfaces and 8 years for vertical surfaces.
The product description states that this is a "A semi-transparent stain featuring NANOGUARD=AE technology provides ultimate durability with water clean-up. This urethane-fortified penetrating formula..."
Does anyone have experience with this in terms of longevity and how well it will wear? I have a moderate sized deck that is in full sun 10 AM to 6PM.
Does anyone have experience with this in terms of longevity and how well it will wear? I have a moderate sized deck that is in full sun 10 AM to 6PM.
Can't comment on the longevity and wear of it, but we just used this to do our deck a few weeks ago. It was easy to use, went on no problem, looks good and cleaned up easily.
I don't have experience with this particular stain. Consumer Reports has had an on-going test of deck stains for about 10 years now. The opaque stains were the only ones that lasted more than about 3 years in full sun. Cabott oil base stain was the best performer. The clear products and semi-opaque products did not fare well.
DonkeyHody "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they are not."
We used a similar product from Behr. My advice is to follow the label directions to the letter. We were told by someone at Home Depot that since we were sanding the deck we could apply the product directly. NOT TRUE. It flaked and peeled after the winter. Fortunately Behr was fantastic in that they advised us what we should have done and have reimbursed the cost of the product PLUS offset the cost of the prep material we need. Haven't had a chance to do the re-application, but I do believe they are a reputable company and we know from experience that they stand behind their products... even when one of their dealer gave bad advice. Kim
The local Home Depot is carrying a deck semi transparent stain - Behr "Premium Semi-Transparent Weatherproofing Deck, Fence & Siding Stain". The product info is at
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is offering the longest time warranty of all the semi-transparent stains at the stores in my area - 6 years for horizontalsurfaces and 8 years for vertical surfaces.The product description states that this is a "A semi-transparentstain featuring NANOGUARD® technology provides ultimate durabilitywith water clean-up. This urethane-fortified penetrating formula..."Does anyone have experience with this in terms of longevity and howwell it will wear? I have a moderate sized deck that is in full sun 10AM to
6PM.-----Then you should be in good shape. The killer is shade that stays wet.What does the warranty cover? They will replace the stain if your deckdisappears in 6 years and you can PROVE it was applied properly?
Here is a rule of thumb "You see a Bear in the woods, you stay still until it heads off, then run. You see a Behr in Home Depot, you just run..."
As a contractor, 99 out of 100 contractors will tell you the same thing about Behr, in particular their deck stains/finishes. It really doesn't matter what kind of Behr it is, paint, stain, cleaner... just leave it alone and go to another store.
Each project has different consideration. I usually use Penofin or Cabot and have reasonable success and the expectations are not unrealistic as will some other products.
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Well RF, I am not sure what you are calling a load of propaganda. I never said any semi-transparent was any good, so it looks like you agree with me on that point. All acrylic exterior deck products are horrible. I have been doing decks for decades. I can always tell Behr from other products, it is the worst of the bad bunch.
Anyone who has been in the business for any length of time will tell you that CR is not consistent with their paint/stain reports. You should check the upgraded report online, they changed it a month after that report in print. Consumer Report places more emphasis on price and ease of purchase overall than if product actually performs well, any cheeky little monkey knows that. If you think Behr is ''as good as any other paint" why even go to the CR report. I will run down to Big Lot's and buy some $5 a gallon paint and pour it a Behr can for you, if you will pay me $30 to do it. Believe what you want, it really doesn't matter. Any pro painter will tell you that Behr is not just bad but the bottom of the barrel, despite CR and the Home Depot marketing machine.
You can try Cabot, TWF, Woolman's, SW- Woodscape, Penofin, Valspar even.... use marine varnish, wood wax, oils, resins, whatever.... You should never use Behr. Period..... Have fun with your CR reports, the rest of us actually USE the products to assess them.
OK, let's agree on that point. But why pinpoint Behr's stains in the subject line "Behr Semi-Transparent Stain" when you believe ALL such stains are horrible - sheer prejudice.
People who are "in the business" very often have their own axes to grind. For example, they do an extremely hasty and shoddy job of preparing the surface for the new coat of paint. The result - the paint starts peeling off soon afterwards and, of course, those "in the business" will blame the paint. It is their way of avoiding a guilty conscience and an eternal red face. Which Behr stain were you using Rolla when you did the lousy preparation job?
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I have been reading CR for at least 40 years and I know for certain that they are one of the few really honest organizations on this planet. They do occasionally make mistakes but then who doesn't? and they always admit it very soon afterwards in the same magazine. Even more important than that, they cannot be bought by the big corps. Looking through the CR ratings in the magazine, or online, of almost any product and you will often see products of some of the biggest companies coming right at the end of a list of 20 or 30 other products AND products of unknown small companies coming near the top of the list. That shows that there is no big corp influence on the ratings. This situation is extremely rare at a time when it appears that almost everyone in the country can be bought, most especially the politicians.
This is brainless BS. CR puts emphasis on what the public wants - a good product at a good price and why should they not be concerned if there is poor service in the store. The customer and even the most brainless monkeys know that too.
Selling non-BEHR paint in a BEHR can could land you in jail where I suspect, you might belong.
This is nothing but sheer prejudice. Do better preparations of the surfaces and all paints will stay on longer.
The June 2008 CR, page 40 shows the PAINT brands being tested for durability after 3 years of exposure: California (best), then all the following had EXACTLY the same ratings: ACE (2 products), BEHR (5 products), Ben Moore (3) and Olympic (1).
In the same article, p 41: tests for Opaque stains were:
Another group (page 41),(3 - 6 years exposure) still being tested, had BEHR at the top of group of 3: BEHR, Sears and M.A.B.
DECKs
CR July 2008 has an article on decks p 38 and 39.
Pre-Treated wood decks (4 products - Iron Woods, Thompsonized, Cedar and TimberSil.), Composites (11 products), Plastic(5 products) and Aluminum (1 product) For durability, the Aluminum won hands down in all ratings.
In the stain category were 3 groupings. The first group included 3-year test results and had 16 various treatments from opaque to semis. The top rated one was Flood Solid Color Deck and Siding - opaque latex. No BEHR brand was in the list.
The second group included 2-year test results and still being tested. It had 3 brands total:
1 BEHR Deck Plus Deck Fence.... opaque latex $23
2 Sears Weatherbeater 26895 opaque latex $30
3 Thompsons Water Seal deck and House Semi-latex $20.
All the above 1, 2, 3 orders was the order of the best products.
After reading Rollo's prejudiced comments, and C.R., even brainless monkeys would understand the situation. Rollo has nightmares about surfaces that he very badly prepared ;-) So BEHR takes all the blame. Poor Rollo!
Consumer Reports Buying Guide for 2008 gives an interesting comment about Deck Treatments on page 81.:
Look Beyond the Brand
The same brand treatments often perform differently. What's more, a brand that worked well for you the last time may not this time, since manufacturers change products frequently to address cost and performance, and to comply with government regulations.
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