Hey, Keith! You really don't understand any of this, do you. OK, just
for you we'll give the "Dick and Jane" version.
There are many facets of our lives and makeup where primal or basic
fears are not necessarily overcome by logic and science, or even
observation. That spinning helicopter rotor blade is 3 or 4 feet
higher than your head . . . but most people still duck going underneath
it. I "know" that the airplane I'm on most likely won't fall out of
the sky. But that doesn't prevent the tiniest little bit of anxiety
when it takes off. (I've logged almost 700,000 air miles in the last
12 years.) I also know that I am quite safe inside my shed during a
thunder storm. Still . . .
Here endeth the lesson. Have a nice day.
I, too, have an opinion on this. DON'T DO IT.
Now, that's just an opinion. I have a 750 sf metal detached shop in the
Northwest. Some general observations about it:
1) The constant dripping. It RUINS your tools, your projects, your
life. If I had to do it over again, I'd tear this thing down and build
a new one. I've spent hours cleaning and waxing iron tool tops (lathe
ways, ts top, jointer, bandsaw, etc) and come out a couple of days
later to rust spots on everything. If you have any humidity, you're
going to be in sad shape. Water/condensation collects on everything
inside the roof, and drips, drips, drips. I've had finishes ruined with
water spots, constantly clean and wax everything, and still it's a
problem. Granted, in the NW, it rains every day except Christmas, but
it's still an annoyance, especially given the humidity of the south.
2) The noise when it rains. It's charming the first time - after that,
it's a headache-generator. It can get DEAFENING. And it drips more when
3) Lack of finished walls inside. The previous owner had to
sheetrock/insulate everything just to have walls to hang things on, and
it's turned into a nightmare. Because of the condensation, I now have
mold growing inside my walls. It's unsightly (growing THROUGH the
sheetrock) and unsafe. I don't want my son or wife even near the shop.
Not to mention that if you don't, you're messing with conduit, air
lines, everything else having to be somehow fastened to the metal
walls, and that's just a mess.
4) Did I mention the dripping?
If I had to do it over (and I may) I may save the foundation and just
knock this thing down and build a real shop. Real wood walls, real
electric work (I've got a 150amp line running 100 yards from the house
underground - NOT cheap), real attic, real roof, real walls, real
If I needed something to keep a roof over the head of some sheep or an
old tractor, I may use a metal shed again. No, on second thought, I
would NEVER own one again.
But, YMMV. Maybe it's different in the south? Up here, it's a friggin
nightmare, and I really dislike my shop. Who'd have thought?!?!?!
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
I read through several posts and many talk about a tin shed and
the inherent problems with same. Were you going to build a
plywood shed with no insulation and no attention to detail? You
couldn't hang anything inside a simple exterior skinned wood
I assumed you were talking about a metal building. There are many
stores, offices, and school buildings that do just fine as metal
As you talk to a builder, make sure you are talking about an
insulated steel building. If you use a drop ceiling (works well
for heat and cool load, dust control, troffer fluorescent lights,
etc) make sure it is insulated and at least 10' clear above the
floor. Walls can be framed for drywall or wafer board and provide
space for wiring and substantial insulation. I would look very
seriously at hydronic heat in the floor. There are many farm
shops that use hot water heaters and a circulating pump to warm
the shop. If your feet are warm, you're comfortable.
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
I too am considering a metal workshop. I have read about the dripping,
and I can understand the heat /cooling issues. I am wondering about the
basic frame being done in metal with iron girders spaning the ceiling(I
would like a second floor or loft for storage). I am not sure what the
cost is, but to have 2*14 joists spanning 28 feet for the ceiling will
be expensive. Would iron be cheaper? Once the frame is done in metal, I
will put up plywood in the corners, insulation board and vynal siding
on the exterior. I will also put up insulation and plywood for the
interior walls instead of drywall. I am hoping this will eliminate some
of the metal shed issues, but am not sure what the cost will be.
Top posted for your convenience.
Really appreciate the commentary! Senior moment was cause of my 13A
circuit breaker goof, reality check discloses a preponderance of 15A
and a few 20A breakers. House had major re-do about 15 years ago and
a second panel was added although it has mostly 15A also. Have struck
out getting electricians to return calls although one did and set an
appointment that wasn't kept. "Been on vacation and didn't know that
he didn't keep it" with follow on call with "Guess you'd better find
someone else as we're swamped". Builders are running the same course.
Considering the multitude of Store It Yourself building being metal it
doesn't seem like condensation with drips falling on content could
help them survive. Understood that they probably lack heat & air but
still. Either way air & heat are part of the equation! Our DIL asked
a local builder for rough estimate for 20X40 building, not specifying
what material but I presumed wood, and got "About $35K to $40K" that
included air & heat. Call to his office about 25 miles away got "We
don't have much going on in your area but I'll let him know and if
interested he'll call" but no call to date.
Still pondering and really hoped for users of the metal clad
observations. Got one user saying he's ready to tear his down and
replace with wood frame. Window air unit is dropping humidity and
keeping garage somewhat livable but we moved into the house in Jan
2006 so don't have winter experience. More chatter welcomed!
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:42:15 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
AYUP, except the original included sheet rock walls and the ~$15K for
the metal clad didn't. Nor did it include plumbing, etc. As Omar
observed, roughly, "The moving finger having writ moves on and all of
your piety and wit removes not a word of it and all your tears will
not wash out a bit of it". I'd rather get it done and behind as time
rushes on! A local contractor visited yesterday and he acts as a GC
and will work up estimate for consideration. He lives in the same
community so gas prices aren't important compared to the one 25 miles
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:42:03 -0400, nospambob wrote:
I have a buddy who put up a 30x40 foot metal truss / metal skin building a
few years ago. He had the foundation work done by a pro and did
everything else himself. Dual 240/120 outlets every 6 feet. Eight foot
fluorescent lighting, insulation, heating, and cooling. Doing all the
work himself (including excavation for the foundation) his cost was about
$20,000. He uses it for a combination woodworking/metalworking shop. He
is happy with it. Condensation isn't much of an issue seeing how it's in
D. G. Adams
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