may be cosmetic, but if an electrician opened a wall to add an outlet and said
he'd make it look like it was always there and didn't paint the wall, well, I'd
say that's wrong. The difference is, it's easy to paint a wall...
concrete they poured. I probably can't do a better job, but it's not what I do
for a living (FYI these guys pretty much ONLY install drains into concrete
My electrician gave me 2 prices on boxes.
I patch, you patch.
On Jan 23, 2:17 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I think the whole crux of the issue is your lack of facility with
English & preparation of specifications,
coupled with rather unrealistic expectations as to the final result.
This is why there are general contractors.... good ones "translate"
between the trades & the owner.
as an example, you translated "not a material defect" into
"I wouldn't call it an 'immaterial defect.' "
not an expression of the same concept. :(
Unfortunately you & the drain installer had a series of
miscommunications..... live & learn.
That's why it's called "experience".
btw what do you do for a living?
Well then maybe the electrician analogy is flawed, because as I mentioned, I can
paint a wall.
I didn't come here looking for an argument and clearly that's not true of
everyone... I wanted to know if this always happens, because that's what the
contractor told me. And clearly the answer is no, it can happen, but it isn't
So, while you all say don't ask them to redo it, I think I can ask them about
doing something to remedy it, either use a chemical to get rid of the stain, or
maybe cut it down a fraction of an inch and try a little more concrete... we'll
see what they say.
Seems a hell of a lot easier to get some
CLR or similar rust remover for $5 and try it.
I doubt anyone doing concrete work guarantees
how the color of the job is going to turn out in
the area where the old meets the new.
Also what I don't get is the refusal to paint the
floor of a finished basement. I've yet to see
what I'd call a finished basement where the
floor is bare concrete. Most of the bare concrete
basement floors I've seen have been far from
uniform in color appearance, even those that
have not been cut and patched.
On Jan 24, 6:25 pm, email@example.com wrote:
No, you can not ask them... You accepted the work and paid for it
already... You have been told several times that your complaint is
one of cosmetics... It was a totally legitimate and common effect
that happens -- concrete wicks and soaks up water -- in your case
there was either something going on with iron deposits in or near
the soil that was disturbed to do the work...
The failed drain pipe that was replaced wasn't by any chance
cast-iron was it ?
Your issue with the appearance factor of this floor is totally
unreasonable and is not within the realm of being legally
actionable unless you clearly specified how the floor finish
should appear when the work was completed... You did not,
most such contracts are concerned with functionality and
workmanlike manner of technique in residential jobs...
You were told that the only way that your floor would ever
look like it did before the concrete was cut for the work
to be done was if it was all one unified pour which is
totally ridiculous to even attempt to assert that a plumber
should ever do such a thing in a drain replacement project...
The contractor is not going to cut the concrete down a
little and re pour it... Not just because you don't like the
way it looks... If YOU don't like the way your floor looks
you can have it painted... You keep harping on this but
the work the plumber did to the drain is functional and
the repaired floor is in compliance with code... That is
all you paid for and all you are entitled to get...
Asking to do a change order AFTER accepting and paying
for the work is akin to engaging in another contract...
The floor is done and was accepted as complete and that
is that... Concrete work short of pouring a whole new slab
will not accomplish what this OP wants...
He can paint or tile the floor to achieve his objective...
I am starting to think a psychiatric hospital might be more
appropriate in meeting his needs though...
Actually, the OP might get satisfaction. The
contractor might stop by with that $5 container
of CLR or similar rust remover. Of course, if iit
were you or I, we'd just go to the local hardware
store and spend the $5 instead of trying to get
the contractor to deal with it.
Wow some of you are nasty even by internet standards...
Never said it was anything other than cosmetic, but so what? They said they'd put in a sump pump drainage system, they didn't say they'd leave it looking way worse than it started.
I didn't come here accusing the contractor of anything. Feel free to actually read the initial posting- where I simply asked if the discoloration was normal.
Nobody 'accepted the work and paid for it' because when they poured the concrete there was no discoloration, it happened after it cured. If my floor collapsed later would you call that acceptance also? (and no, I'm not equating the severity of the two)
There was no failed pipe that was replaced; as far as I know there's no iron around unless it's in the foundation (and the sewer lines are on the other side of the house).
Legally actionable? Why are you jumping to the incorrect conclusion that any legal action is even being considered? Again, I simply asked if discoloration was normal.
Since none of you read the contract you don't know what I contracted for and paid for. Their marketing materials promise a clean finish and their photos do not show any discoloration.
Oh, and I did ask the contractor about painting the basement floor (and before some of the nastier posters here jump to conclusions, I meant my painting it, not asking them to do it). He said that because concrete is porous and moisture comes through it, paint on a basement floor lasts only around 3 years, then it starts to bubble and needs to be repainted. That wouldn't work for me, I wouldn't want to have to move everything around every 3 years to repaint.
On Jan 25, 11:38 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I did read your posting...
Sir, respectfully, your issue with the appearance and color of the
floor is absolute baffoonery... Period... You can not even attempt
any rationalization of your position which would not be viewed as
craziness by an uninterested third party...
If the stain really bothers you try to clean it off yourself or you
paint it to make it look "better" to you... "Looking way worse
than it started" is in your highly biased, subjective, and totally
inexperienced opinion... You will not win any sort of legal
argument with only that to stand on as it is not legally sufficient
evidence, it is your opinion and only that...
"Nobody 'accepted the work and paid for it' because when they
poured the concrete there was no discoloration, it happened after
it cured. If my floor collapsed later would you call that acceptance
also? (and no, I'm not equating the severity of the two)"
Yes, you accepted the work and paid for it... The job was for
functionality of the drain, not the color of the floor... If the
collapsed later that would be a functional defect... You are
complaining about the coloration of your floor which was a
result of the unique conditions present in your home...
As someone else here said, for what you paid for it and in
a contract which doesn't involve concrete engineering specs
and recipes which are precisely described and agreed upon
no one will guarantee what a cured pour of concrete will look
like appearance wise for color...
Legally Actionable: Legally sufficient to support a lawsuit in itself.
You don't even have an issue with which you could make a
valid consumer report/complaint about let alone something which
would result in anything other than a quite terse "case dismissed"
from the hearing officer/judge after you try to explain your side of
the issue in a small claims proceeding...
Your definition of a "clean finish" and what is the industry
definition and standard working practices are definitely not in
agreement... The industry standard applies here, not yours...
If you thought you were going to end up with something that looked
_exactly_ like the picture in the marketing materials in a brochure
you definitely are in need of psychiatric services...
You were sold a drain system, you received a drain system...
It is the functional ability of the installed devices which is the
important factor here, not the exact coloration of the concrete
nor the specific external appearance of the drain grating, etc...
As to the floor, if you can't paint it - which I highly doubt, because
there are paints designed for garage floors that are wet both on the
surface and underneath that endure that moisture and the physical
abrasions of vehicle tires crunching grit on the painted surfaces
which last quite a bit longer than 3 years when properly applied,
then you will need to get over yourself and accept that if you can
not clean whatever minor discoloration away with chemicals and
you are not prepared to pay a concrete contractor to break up your
slab and pour you a new perfectly clean and uniformly finished
one that you will just have to accept what is and that is all
there is to it...
This is why I *really* think you are either a troll, crazy or both...
Anyone else wondering why the OP is still bitching instead
of buying a $5 bottle of CLR or similar rust remover? I've
recommended that about 3 times now and wasn't nasty
either. But I might be working up to it soon.....
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