My Sunbeam 110 V electric grill works OK but it glows only faintly red
and it takes a while to grill a steak.
My clamp-on meter shows 12.2 Amps.
I imagine this mod:
Connect a 220 V infinite range element controller (15 Amp at 220 V
capacity) and output it to the 110V element.
Adjust to a mild red color.
What say you?
I intend to run the element with about 15 Amps instead of 12.
Yes, it will shorten the life a bit, but it is currently barely
You have to turn off the lights to see it.
I like the convenience of my Patio Caddy electric.
It is smaller and insulated.
It gets up to 500F.
I prefer electric and I have retired my gas grills.
15 amps instead of 12.2? If the resistance does not vary with voltage,
then this means an RMS voltage of (15/12.2) times whatever voltage the
element is now getting. This means power going into the heating
element will be (15/12.2) squared times what it is getting now, or a 51%
boost. More still if you control amps and the element's resistance
increases with temperature (which it probably will). This does not sound
like a moderate "red heat" but a brightish orange or maybe even a quite
bright yellowish orange. I would operate the grill far from anything
flammable, and have the plug in easy reach, also a largish BC rated fire
extinguisher within reach.
Bare nichrome wire can glow orange, but a heating element other than
bare nichrome wire should generally not get past "dim side orangish red"
that an electric stove "burner" does, and some may be limited to lower
surface temperatures still!
If you want to check the effective voltage across the heating element
while it has current or effective voltage adjusted by anything other than
a "variac"-like device or a true rheostat (extremely unlikely, also would
make close to enough heat to cook with), your RMS voltage reading will
read erroneously low unless you use a "true RMS" voltmeter.
And if the voltage across the plug of your grill according to a true RMS
voltmeter is above 125-126 volts or something close to that, I suspect 132
possibly but tops, then the UL listing of your grill does not apply, and
your fire insurance company can give you grief if they have to get
involved with anything related to this.
For that matter, your booster may turn your grill setup into an
"experimental apparatus" lacking benefit of UL listing from the get-go!
On Nov 25, 10:45 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org (Don Klipstein) wrote:
When I look at my 220 V oven element in the 'broil' setting I can
plainly see glowing red.
It seems to me that the 110 V grill element is of the same type
material, and for it to run at 110V it must be shorter in length or
thinner in diameter..
Logic follows that it should also glow the same color as the oven
element without premature failure.
I have an electric turkey fryer and it
has similar problems, though the elements
can't glow red because they are
submerged in oil. The problem is that
dump a room temperature 16 pound bird in
the 400 degree oil, it immediately drops
to something like 260 degrees or so.
With the electric fryer, it never really
as it does in a mega-btu propane fryer
... but the electric isn't as dangerous.
much better to fry the bird at somewhere
over 300 degrees for best results.
Anyway, what I would do is try in your
case is a 220 volt Variac and adjust the
voltage as needed.
There are electronic ways to controlling
the element, however, you might be able to
borrow a Variac to try it as an experiment.
In my case this would be a problem as
the control is electronic. I wouldn't try a
higher voltage unless the control could
be isolated on a separate 110 volt
I do, however, have 2 elements units and
I will try to put both in the fryer
powering them from 2 separate circuits.
Just when I thought deep frying turkeys couldn't be any more dangerous.
Maybe you could set the thing on a wobbly table and use a 20' extension cord
with it draped across a high traffic area.
Make sure you have the emergency room on speed dial.
If you are using an extension cord:
I suggest measuring voltage across the line at the grill's plug and at
the outlet that your extension cord is plugged into.
If you lose more than just a few volts, get a new extension cord. Get
one with as heavy a gauge of wire as you can find (preferably AWG 12,
rated for 20 amps), and in the shortest length that you can find that will
Volts dropped with 12.5 amps at wire temperature 30 C: (Note -
remedying a voltage drop will increase your current slightly! This is why
I am using 12.5 amps rather than 12.2 amps.) Feet is length of cord, and
volts dropped is "round trip drop", considering copper wire length of
twice the length of the cord.
AWG 25 ft 50 ft 100 ft
16 2.6 5.2 10.4
14 1.64 3.28 6.56
12 1.03 2.06 4.12
These figures are only approximate, since wire has a tolerance in cross
section area, and stranded wire usually does not exactly match an AWG
I would change the extension cord if this will reduce voltage drop by
more than 3-4 volts or so.
Also, if you are using 16 AWG extension cord, I consider its typical 13
amp rating not as conservative as the 15 amp rating typical of 14 AWG
extension cord. For "equal conservativeness", I would use a 16 AWG
extension cord with no more than 11 amps.
I also doubt any decent 100 foot extension cord comes in a gauge thinner
than AWG 14.
- Don Klipstein ( email@example.com)
Yea, but if the insulation can't handle the additional heat. FIRE FIRE
I liked the suggestion about the extension cord, which if you are using,
you should not likely be using with this appliance.
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