Frequent outages are a sign of poor maintenance, trees or no trees.
Our other house had outages almost every day for a while. It was a
municipal system and yes, the maintenance was crap. You could count
on losing power in any little thunderstorm.
That's pretty damned poor. They should be able to isolate it to a
small area in minutes, if not by the complaints alone.
CY: I also went lifeboat, can't afford a hard wired standby generator.
Worth note, some window AC can run on portable generator.
CY: For sure. I spent some time with catalogs like Northern Tool. Ran
the numbers, and IIRC, a gallon of gas provides about 2,000 watts for
one hour. Some variation, but not much.
CY: I suspect the run time of the 5 is more than that, but I know the
concept. With a bigger genset, the temptation is to run more devices.
Hair dryer, and toaster, and so on. Well, lets see. If my 2,000 number
is right, then wide open throttle would be about two hours on a 5 gal
tank, so maybe you're not far off. Or maybe you're spot on, and I'm off?
Could be that I'm the wrong one.
CY: In western NYS, I've found natural gas to be totally reliable. I've
heard that some gas plants are electric power, so when the grid goes
down, the natural gas goes down soon after. Gasoline and propane have
the advantage of being stored onsite.
CY: Chain, padlock, and ugly dog are needed. I've heard that generators
are a very high theft item during power cuts. As for me, I know of two
people who have had them stolen.
Call me paranoid, but I would think that, when there is a power outage,
the first thing that comes to mind for a certain small segment of the
population is "Let's go out and see if we can find a generator or
Since our town was anointed with a tattoo parlor and a finger nail shop
some years back - and the local jeweler started chaining his doors shut
- I suspect we now have out share of that certain small segment...
I think there is a combination of factors. One
is that the unprepared would like to have a
generator. Second, is to "get even with those
rich people who didn't pay their fair share,
and bring them down a bit."
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:09:18 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Along the lines of getting even, a neighbor told me
he heard a story on the radio during hurricane Sandy
that some thieves tried to steal a generator that was
running, but it was well chained down, so instead
they just put holes in the gas tank.
Many around here only ran their;s during the day
and took them in at night. Seems reasonable to me, unless
it's so hot or cold that you need AC or Heat, but the
weather was mild. But then you have some buffoons with
the whole house generators that kept them running 24/7
making a lot of noise. It's like they want everyone to
know they have one. You can hear the damn thing half a
block away and it's still objectionable. But I guess they
don't mind listening to it themselves. Either that or
they are too dumb to realize it has an off switch on it.
On 10/10/2013 07:08 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
My 17kW Generac doesn't make any more noise than an idling car.
I run it 24/7 during outages and can barely hear it in the house.
OTOH, a neighbor has a China Harbor Freight piece of crap...now that thing is loud!
Maybe the Chinaman inside is lonely, and wants to go
home. Did you go over, and play Chinese lullabies on
Glad to know Generac are fairly quiet. I've also been
pleased with my ETQ brand, 1200 watt. Also reasonably
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On Friday, October 11, 2013 8:05:21 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Maybe new ones suddenly got quiet, but I doubt it. I wound
up getting a 12KW Generac unit that was about 5 years old from
a neighbor because it quit during an outage and the service
company told him it wasn't worth fixing. It looked almost
like new, so I thought I'd see if maybe I could fix it and
use it. It started up and ran, so I heard what it sounded like.
And it sure wasn't like any idling car, except maybe one with
a broken muffler. More like a loud garden tractor, which
kind of makes sense, since it's a similar ~25hp engine.
Here's a youtube of one if you don't believe me:
Make sure you listen until about 25 secs in, when it
actually starts. Before that there is something in the
background that does sound more like a car.
Let me know what you think after you watch
I've also been
One big difference there you're talking about an engine
that's an order of magnitude smaller than one in a
whole house type. The quietest ones are the inverter
type, where they sythensize the AC waveform. That
decouples the frequency from the engine speed. At low
loads, the engine can run at lower RPMS instead of
On Friday, October 11, 2013 10:30:17 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
He said his 17KW Generac is quiet. You said:
"Glad to know Generac are fairly quiet."
I've seen and heard a few of the Generac whole house
generators. I worked on the one I received for
free and had it running. It sounded like the one
in the youtube video I provided. None of them
sounded even close to an idling car. Maybe new
ones are quieter but I still doubt they are as
quiet as an idling car. But the point is your
assumption that Generac are fairly quiet is wrong,
unless you think the one in that video is quiet. What's
there is typical of what the one's I have heard
On Friday, October 11, 2013 4:44:18 PM UTC-4, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
No question most of the noise is from the exhaust.
How much quieter you could make it with a better
muffler, IDK. The muffler on the Generac I worked
on was fairly large, not like you'd find on a garden
tractor. I would say it was about 18" x 10", by 5".
I don't know the dynamics of muffler design, ie if
you made it 30% bigger, how much difference it would
make. But then you also have the problem of bigger
muffler, now you need bigger cabinet, etc. These
things sell for $2500, so cost is a factor.
One thing that lowers the noise is using an 1800 RPM
engine instead of 3600. The low cost generators run
at 3600. The more expensive, liquid cooled, etc run
at 1800. For smaller portable, the quietest are the
inverter type, where the AC is synthesized, allowing
the engine speed to be decoupled from the freq. So,
with no or little load the engine can be near idle,
quieter and using less fuel. But last time I looked
it was like $4000 for one that was 4KW or so. A lot
compared to the China specials.
And there is other noise from any engine besides just
On 10/11/2013 7:29 AM, email@example.com wrote:
The 10kw liquid cooled Generac gensets I installed back in the 90's were
my favorite because the engine ran at 1,800rpm which made for a very
quiet unit that was not overstressed. The service problem that
affected all the Generac gensets back then was a horrible oil pressure
switch which seemed to fail on all of them. I even looked at getting a
replacement switch meant for an old model Ford truck engine. The loudest
gensets by far are the 3,600rpm screamers. A 10-20kw air cooled genset
can be very loud depending on the sound insulation of the housing. My
favorite air cooled gensets were the Onan 15kw 4cyl air cooled gensets
which I installed in a number of grocery stores. I wish I had one for
the house. The darn things are actually fairly quiet even though being
air cooled. ^_^
On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:02:04 PM UTC-4, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Those are the ones I'm talking about. They are what you typically
find for residential use, no? Because people aren't going to
pay for the 1800 RPM water cooled, that probably cost 3 - 4X
and also come in higher output than most houses would need.
On 10/11/2013 4:38 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I installed a number of 10kw liquid cooled Generac gensets in homes that
were the 4cyl 1,800 rpm units. The 10kw gensets had a Turkish Fiat 4
cylinder liquid cooled engine and I seem to recall a 12 or 15kw unit
that had a Nissan 4cyl liquid cooled engine. All were installed in homes
and I even installed a 40kw Kohler genset in a home. My late friend GB
built a doghouse which matched the house to camouflage the big Kohler.
I remember the Kohler having a Ford liquid cooled engine. I could swear
I saw an Onan that had a Slant Six in it. o_O
On Friday, October 11, 2013 8:09:33 PM UTC-4, The Daring Dufas wrote:
It looks like Guardian's quiet series that runs on nat gas
now starts at 22KW. But they also have a diesel residential
serios that starts at 15KW. So, you're right, it's possible
Smarty has one of those.
But I wouldn't buy a Generac anything after looking at
the ratings and stories at Amazon for their basic whole house
nat gas generators. Last time I looked,
they had a lot of 5 star ratings and a lot of 1 star and
not much in between. The 1 star were people claiming to
have units that showed up inoperable, failed in the first
few months, failed right after the 2 year warranty was up,
etc. And so many of those with problems were saying that
go poor customer service from Generac. You expect to see
some complaints on any products, but what was there on
Amazon looked unusually bad to me.
The 10kw gensets had a Turkish Fiat 4
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:57:21 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The problem is even well into s discussion, little
info is provided. He says "I know what they sound like"
What exactly is "they" besides that it's 17KW?
Nat gas? Diesel? 1800 RPM, 3600 RPM, air cooled,
water cooled, which specific model,
how old, etc. There are a lot Generac out there.
I don't doubt some are quieter than others. But
his post and your response to it, left the impression
that "Generacs" are quiet. Some may be. The ones I've
heard and the one in the video Smarty apparently won't
look at, aren't.
If he provides the model number we can go look at
the noise spec.
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