3 way switch. 2 switches 2 recessed lights in the hall way

Many people misuse the words short and shorted. They use them for almost any electrical problem, but especially they use them for 'opens"** I haven't noticed people here doing that, but it's very common.

It's more specific than that. It might be red connected to white, but only if that meets my definition which follows. And certainly if two wires are connected so as to make a short, they weren't wired correctly, but lots of mistakes are not shorts.

A short circuit is one where the current can flow from the hot to the neutral or to the ground without passing through all of the load. Or you can have a short which bypasses any of the other parts of a circuit. See below****

The load is the lightbulb or the motor, or the heating elements in a toaster, etc. The load is the reason you are using the electricity in the first place. For light, motion, heat, etc.

Lets use an example where the load is a string of Xmas tree lights, the old kind iiuc where if one light burned out, they all went out. You could have a short circuit (a short) right at the plug, if the insulation dried out and one of the wires was touching the other. Then nothing would go to the lights, the circuit would be shorter than it should be, (Get it? That's why it's called a short circuit.) The current would go a quarter inch out from the plug to where the insulation has fallen off, to the other wire, and right back into the plug and the house wiring. It would normally blow a fuse or tirp a breaker.

Or one lightbulb socked could be shorted. Maybe someone stuffed tinfoil in where the bulb went. Because he didnt have any more good bulbs and so none of them would light. That is a short. If only one bulb out of say 40 is bypassed, the voltage will go up a little for all the other bulbs, they will burn out a little faster, but until then they will be a little brighter. If otoh there were only 10 bulbs, and now there are 9, the voltage on each bulb will be 10/9ths what it's supposed to be. Insteal of about 11 volts (110/10) it will be a little over 12 volts. That might work too, but the bulbs will be brigher and burn out faster. This is also a short.

Let's say somehow, you ended up bypassing 20 of the 40 bulb string. That will double the voltage across each bulb, double the current through the wire, make the wire get much hotter, and if the bulbs somehow don't burn out, you'll have a heat hazard from the hot wire. That's still a short, even though it's not bypassing the entire load. it doesn't have to bypass the entire load, just any part of it, and it's a short. Some shorts are very dangerous, others are not, but very very few are desirable. The only one I can think of is the first example of shorting out only one lightbulb socket in a string of 40.

****You can also have a short that bypasses, for example, the switch. If a switch breaks and it is closed (the On), it's as if the switch is shorted. Or if someone connects both of the wires to the switch to the same screw on the switch, he's shorted out the switch. Not as big a problem as shorting the load, but the switch won't work anymore to turn the thing off. If the switch is broken but it's not On, it's Off, that's called an Open. If someone takes a short wire with alligator clips on each end and clips one to each screw on the switch, he's shorted out the switch. People do this to bypass the switch to see if the light etc. will turn on. If it turns on when the switch is shorted but not when the switch is On, the switch is broken. (Not that that applies to you. I don't think so.)

You could have a short that bypasses an antenna. If you're using stranded flat line wire and a stray strand touches the other conductor where it's not insultated, the two strands will be connected and almost the entire signal from the antenna will go through the short and not to the radio or tv. "The antenna is shorted". If one of the wires to the antenna is broken, the antenna circuit is open.

YOu could short out the output of an amplifier. That's why there is a plastic ridge (didn't used to be) between the two screws where one attaches the speakers, so the strands of one side of the speaker wire won't touch the other side. If you short out the amplifer output, you'll blow the fuse if it has an output fuse, and if not, you'll burn out the output transistor, and maybe the transistor before that, if there is direct coupling. You may burn them out before the fuse blows, even if there is a fuse.

**What is an open? It is two things that should be connected but are not, or two parts on the inside of something that should be connected but are not. For example, in a simple light bulb, when the filament burns out, breaks, the circuit is open, or has an open, and the bulb is open. If you cut through a wire with a saw, you make an open.

Don't confuse open and shorted and everything else.

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I didn't pay any attention to your two 3-way switches.

First 3-way switches are really two-way, as you problably know. They are called 3-way because they have three screws and require 3 wires to get full benefit from them. Just a factoid.

It's possible to put a 3-way switch half-way between up and down, and in that case, no position of the other switch will turn things on.

I relally doubt if that coulld still be the case after all your fiddlin' and it woudn't account for the pop. But I thought I should mention it.

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