Since you are in the HVAC field, I want to make you aware of a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives to ban asbestos (it is already banned in 40 countries) and to provide funding for medical research so effective treatments can be found for asbestos-related diseases, such as mesothelioma, a cancer of the lining of the lungs, abdomen and heart. You can learn more about the bill and ask your representative to support it from
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A ban is not enough as it doesn't help people who are already sick, who have been exposed and who will be exposed to asbestos already in place.
The bad asbestos was used up on Navy ships during WWII. Actually Fiberglass i.e. as in insulation is much worse and does the damage you are claiming. Also Asbestos has long been outlawed by the Federal Government. I took a safety class in 1961 on it for the missile silo installations. Any more legislation is just so some SOB can claim his/her/its name on a bill. The folks that had the problem with asbestos work in the silica/asbestos mines and in the manufacture of asbestos laden products. Your 50 or 60 years to late.. Go after fibre glass!
Where is your documentation to back up your statements about asbestos?
Were asbestos already banned, there would not be legislation to ban it. It would be moot. Asbestos has not been banned in the U.S. You can read about the legislature history of the effort to ban asbestos in the U.S. at
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Also, the victims of asbestos include not only workers in mines and the manufacture of asbestos laden products. 1/3 of the victims of mesothelioma, the cancer of the lining of the lungs, abdomen and heart related to asbestos, are Navy veterans. Other victims include do-it- yourselfers; household contacts of people who work with asbestos, such as spouses and children; auto mechanics, consturction workers, etc.
you are one stupid SOB! Anyone in the building trades can tell you that Asbestos has been outlawed for decades and it takes a very special license and equipment to remove and dispose of it. The fines are astronomical. Now take your spam shit crawl back into your corner and go back to licking your own crotch. This is a professional group and no one invited you. Stick around and I am sure you are going to need some
*asbestos* underwear. Jeez... Don't they ever lock their idiots up in Washington state? Trolls usually remove pertinent replies.. just like you did!
bestoshas been outlawed for decades and it takes a very special
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Asbestos is regulated, not outlawed. OSHA 29CFR1926.1101 (the construction reg) still allows a very low exposure for workers. 2 other regs, shipyard .1915, and general .
1000(?) also allow for some exposures. EPA NESHAPS 40CFR60 does not regulate materials less than 1% asbestos (for demolition and renovations) EPA AHERA 40CFR763 (the school rule) final air clearance testing will PASS a work area containing 349 structures found using TEM microscopy ("less than 70/structures per sample, averaging of 5 samples', YES, a room tested in a school could have 1 sample at 349/Str and 4 samples at 0/Str and meet clreaance criteria) DOT 49CFR has regs for demarcating trucks during loading and unloading.
Common terms. Friable =3D make airborne dust with little effort. And, Non-friable=3D normally safe and would efforts to creat an airborne (inhalible) dust.(like grinding or sanding) Non friable examples are floor tiles, adhesives, roofing cements. Only spray-applied techniques of asbestos containing material (ACM) were banned during the construction of the twin towers. The "ban-out phase-out" rule got overturned in the court system before coming a law. Capitalism prevailed. This was intended to systemattically phase out asbestos containing material (ACM) in a manner to allow new replacement products to be implemented. Home deopot and Lowes currently have roofing cements that contain asbestos. John Mansville was crucified because early on the found that asbestos very bad for your health but continued to profit from it instead of releasing this newer knowledge to the masses. The smart choice here is "would I want to put asbestos in my product?"
The laws we have require workers, hygienists, inspectors, designers, companies to have current, approved training. The AHERA rule was so number specific, it has become the state of the art method widely used today. Though many facilities even make it more stringent i.e. "EACH of the 5 final air clearance samples MUST be less than 70/str", and like AHERA require more than the minimum of 5 clearance samples be taken when the work areas are very large (>5000sq. ft.). The law says all suspect materials are to be pesumed to be ACM UNTIL you can prove they are not (manufacture's statement or testing lab's results) This "law list goes on, read into EPA, OSHA, and DOT regulations. (respirators, building inspections, right to know, etc)
Even today if you pay big bucks to have the ACM removed from your companies lunch room, you better be getting a written letter gaurantee from someone or MSDS sheet that CLEARLY states that the new replacement materials DO NOT CONTAIN any asbestiforms. 6 regulated forms (names) in 2 family groups(Serpentine=3D soft, flexible, can be woven. Amphilble=3D small, sharp, hard, needle-like
US Government LOVED asbestos (and lead based paint). Asbestos is a wonderful material that even today makes for a great product when certain characteristic are crucial because is resistant to very high teperature, resistance to many chemicals, inherintly has good tensil strength. Much of the originally installed pipe insulation in older chemical plants would have both families of asbestos combined in the one product (i.e., 40% Chrysotile and 25% Amosite. 65% total)
Many bid packages while require you to submit info on building materials to be used in advance along with declarations that materials do not/will not contain ACM.
This gets too long. Knowledge is education. If everyone was educated, all asbestos was maintained in good intact state, and thus all workers were protected when working with asbestos, it wouldn't be a health problem. Simply put not all asbestos materials are in good shape these days, if you have to deal with it, wet it thouroughly (no dust), wipe the area with wet rag (no dust), yes you can do a small pick up wipe up of small amounts and throw it all in the trash can without any harm. I know! The trash sits for days, dries out, the custodian carries it down the hall and the bag breaks, and now dry dust is not only contaminated the area, but is being picked up by return air HVAC system and distributing the harmful dry dust (now pulverized even more as it churns through the blower fans) throughout the building, then later being sealed off to be decontaminated, costing your company thousands of dollars in both down time, production, and add cost of clean-up. !!!!!! Take the damn bag to the dumpster yourself. OR go get a lawyer! Tell him you were exposed at work! Screw the court system! Get pity payment judgement from a jury of others like yourself that are not knowledgeable! Screw the economy as you do it and up the costs of doing business, forcing lay offs, hopefully you lose your job and are forced to spend your judgement money because you won't be hired because you are a scared cry baby...............hehehe!!
wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Aug 4, 2:07 am, Don Ocean wrote:
Asbestos is regulated, not outlawed. OSHA 29CFR1926.1101 (the construction reg) still allows a very low exposure for workers. 2 other regs, shipyard .1915, and general .
1000(?) also allow for some exposures. EPA NESHAPS 40CFR60 does not regulate materials less than 1% asbestos (for demolition and renovations) EPA AHERA 40CFR763 (the school rule) final air clearance testing will PASS a work area containing 349 structures found using TEM microscopy ("less than 70/structures per sample, averaging of 5 samples', YES, a room tested in a school could have 1 sample at 349/Str and 4 samples at 0/Str and meet clreaance criteria) DOT 49CFR has regs for demarcating trucks during loading and unloading.
Common terms. Friable = make airborne dust with little effort. And, Non-friable= normally safe and would efforts to creat an airborne (inhalible) dust.(like grinding or sanding) Non friable examples are floor tiles, adhesives, roofing cements. Only spray-applied techniques of asbestos containing material (ACM) were banned during the construction of the twin towers. The "ban-out phase-out" rule got overturned in the court system before coming a law. Capitalism prevailed. This was intended to systemattically phase out asbestos containing material (ACM) in a manner to allow new replacement products to be implemented. Home deopot and Lowes currently have roofing cements that contain asbestos. John Mansville was crucified because early on the found that asbestos very bad for your health but continued to profit from it instead of releasing this newer knowledge to the masses. The smart choice here is "would I want to put asbestos in my product?"
The laws we have require workers, hygienists, inspectors, designers, companies to have current, approved training. The AHERA rule was so number specific, it has become the state of the art method widely used today. Though many facilities even make it more stringent i.e. "EACH of the 5 final air clearance samples MUST be less than 70/str", and like AHERA require more than the minimum of 5 clearance samples be taken when the work areas are very large (>5000sq. ft.). The law says all suspect materials are to be pesumed to be ACM UNTIL you can prove they are not (manufacture's statement or testing lab's results) This "law list goes on, read into EPA, OSHA, and DOT regulations. (respirators, building inspections, right to know, etc)
Even today if you pay big bucks to have the ACM removed from your companies lunch room, you better be getting a written letter gaurantee from someone or MSDS sheet that CLEARLY states that the new replacement materials DO NOT CONTAIN any asbestiforms. 6 regulated forms (names) in 2 family groups(Serpentine= soft, flexible, can be woven. Amphilble= small, sharp, hard, needle-like
US Government LOVED asbestos (and lead based paint). Asbestos is a wonderful material that even today makes for a great product when certain characteristic are crucial because is resistant to very high teperature, resistance to many chemicals, inherintly has good tensil strength. Much of the originally installed pipe insulation in older chemical plants would have both families of asbestos combined in the one product (i.e., 40% Chrysotile and 25% Amosite. 65% total)
Many bid packages while require you to submit info on building materials to be used in advance along with declarations that materials do not/will not contain ACM.
This gets too long. Knowledge is education. If everyone was educated, all asbestos was maintained in good intact state, and thus all workers were protected when working with asbestos, it wouldn't be a health problem. Simply put not all asbestos materials are in good shape these days, if you have to deal with it, wet it thouroughly (no dust), wipe the area with wet rag (no dust), yes you can do a small pick up wipe up of small amounts and throw it all in the trash can without any harm. I know! The trash sits for days, dries out, the custodian carries it down the hall and the bag breaks, and now dry dust is not only contaminated the area, but is being picked up by return air HVAC system and distributing the harmful dry dust (now pulverized even more as it churns through the blower fans) throughout the building, then later being sealed off to be decontaminated, costing your company thousands of dollars in both down time, production, and add cost of clean-up. !!!!!! Take the damn bag to the dumpster yourself. OR go get a lawyer! Tell him you were exposed at work! Screw the court system! Get pity payment judgement from a jury of others like yourself that are not knowledgeable! Screw the economy as you do it and up the costs of doing business, forcing lay offs, hopefully you lose your job and are forced to spend your judgement money because you won't be hired because you are a scared cry baby...............hehehe!!
OK, so you finally did your homework and now you wanna stir up shit... later sport
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