I've been trying to move my customers towards organic methods.
triple shred, putting leaves through the shredder three times
produces some dense mulch. with the new and deeper understanding
acquired recently for how many of the selective herbicides and
insecticides as well as improper or incorrect applications of
nitrogen actually have a great negative impact on the environment
as well as the ground water, I've decided it is now time to make
some changes concerning how the suburbanites acquire and obtain
the lawns they desire.
in short, if the chemical bonds with the soil at the molecular
particle level then that chemical is removed from my list of
what is acceptable to use. the list is getting short.
We cut the grass with a bush hog a couple of times a year whether it
needs it or not. I ain't raking no leaves or riding or pushing a lawn
mower even if you pay me gold standard to do it.. The birds love the
thistles that grow in the back yard. I've found that you don't need
bird feeders to attract them, just let the natural flora grow up and the
birds will flock to it to get the seeds and nectar (humming birds love
phlox and other sweet smelling flowers.. The birds planted mulberry
trees and currant bushes and black raspberries all over the property
around the edges of our woods..They have done more to benefit the
property and myself(I love berry jam) than any stinkin' lawnmower
would.I don't use herbicide or pesticide on anything. It's not nice to
poison plants and animals. I do live on a farm, and don't worry about
what my neighbors think of my lack of grass cutting.. The leaves rot
down and disintegrate by themselves under the trees. The wells out here
in farm country tend to wind up contaminated by the over zealous
application of herbicide and pesticide, and I for one don't want to add
that crap to the water I pull up out of the ground that I have to drink.
Quite a few of the private wells out here are contaminated with Alachor/
the breakdown product of the Herbicide Lasso. It is carcinogenic and
once it is in the groundwater it takes a long time to dissipate..
Hi, I'm new to the group, but thought I'd jump in and give my 2 cents
worth. I'm right there with you, Grizzly. In fact, I had to laugh at
my brother-in-law who just moved out here. He thought it was
important to mow and rake all 15 acres of my place. I tried to
explain the bush hog twice a year concept, but he was proud of the
nice looking "lawn." I tried to explain the difference between a
"lawn" and a "pasture," but he didn't get that either. I told him he
was probably the laughing stock of the community. Everyone was
saying, "look at that crazy California city boy out there push mowing
the pasture, raking, and wheelbarrowing it down to the burn pit!"
Now, I drew the line when he tried to make the teenage boys help him
rake in the 100+ degree, 60% humidity Arkansas summer heat wave. If
he wanted to suffer from heat stroke, more power to him. But, the
kids weren't going to rake that up. It could stay where it was.
What difference does it make if any particular chemical bonds with the
soil at the molecular level as opposed to just going straight on to
the ground water or into lakes, streams via runoff? I'm not even
aware that chemicals are made to molecularly bond to soil to begin
The ions from chemical fertilizer salts, can be slowed down considerably
as they pass through your soil, by clay. Good garden soil is about 20% -
30% clay. Problem is that these fertilizer salts can harm/kill the micro
flora and fauna in soil. A healthy, diversified population of
micro-organisms will give you a healthy lawn if you feed them with
compost. There is more to it but that is the gist.
In a word, yes.
My point should have been that the binding of chem ferts (salts) in the
soil is inadvertent and wasn't planed by Monsanto, Dow, et al.. If you
have diversified micro-organisms growing in your soil, they take up
nitrogen compounds (NH4+ and NO3-) during their life cycles and release
it to plants when they die. A little fish emulsion or manure from time
to time should be sufficient. Otherwise the breakdown of carbohydrates
from from lawn clippings or compost will keep the micro-organisms happy
it's not that the chemicals were made to bond with the
soil, it is that they do. as for run off, there are
proper precautions one can take to minimize run off
the simplest of which is to adhere to the proper
applications rates. when chemicals such as herbicides
are applied within the correct rate the vast majority
of the chemical is taken up by the target plants and
never achieves run off status.
most people have no idea of how to calibrate an application
device so as to know their exact output. they have not sought
the training and therefore have no understanding for distance,
time, pressure or volume.
it was a good decision when the full strength chemicals were
placed out of reach of joe home owner...
organic is the total solution to the problem...
Good piece! Seriously, I don't want waist high grass and weeds right up
close to the house, so we just mow the weeds couple times a month three
inches high with a mulching mower. Eventually, the area becomes a lawn,
as the goldenrod doesn't like being cut short, only plants that prefer
being three inches high survive.
Remove the TOS star ship captain to reply privately.
And, we all know there are no weeds with a growth habit of under three
inches. *rolls eyes*
Eventually, from /only/ mowing "a couple times a month" the area doesn't
"become a lawn", it becomes a patch of three inch high weeds.
No they weren't. You only partially reset them. So, do you have a double
standard about crossposts? You only want them crossposted to where *you*
I have no interest in misc.rural  and I don't read rec.gardens on a
regular basis, but in the future should both a.h.l.g. and r.g. be in the
crossposted message, *and* my reply is relevant  to both groups, tho I
detest crossposts, I'll leave them. Fair enough?
. Which you didn't reset. And, which is apparently where the post I
replied to originated, unless it was a post by a nym-shifter. I've little
time to do that in-depth of a search to know if it was a nym-shifter, tho I
doubt it was.
 I replied to only a part of BR's post dealing with "lawn", which I felt
was more relevant to a.h.l.g.
Make sense? =)
Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and I'll show you a man
Just leave the follups alone and you don't have to keep track of
Not really. There are many in rec.gardens participating in
this thread, and interested. I only snip when it's a troll post and I
know a post about roses shoudln't go to say, alt.repair.toyota. Other
than that, when a conversation is going in and out of three or four
newsgroups and everyone seems to be participating I leave it alone.
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
Yet, you /still/ didn't restore the missing group. Your excuse this time
would be that it was too early?
Well, it is, and that's the way it'll be. I'll be the one to choose what,
when, and where I post. I snipped what was irrelevant to my reply, and my
reply was more relevant to a.h.l.g., so that's where the flup went.
Again, I'll post as I see fit, in accordance with subject matter to which
And, my post went to all of the groups, but the flup was set to the group
that was most relevant. If they choose to reply to the sub-thread, they can
do so, or not. The name of the group is *not* rec.lawn.garden. The
sub-thread had *nothing* to do with gardens. My flup went where it should.
That's *you*, not me. I choose to post to the more appropriate group.
-A conscience is what hurts when all of your other parts feel so good.
Sure you are. Only four people have replied to this sub-thread: You, BR,
Steveo, and myself. BR and Steveo both left the flup as I set it. I have no
hard-kills set for this group. Who else does do you see that restored the
groups? Noone. So, it seems that only *you* have a problem with it.
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