I just recently listened to a Youtube education series about the study
of plant communication. Just wonder if any of you have experienced a
similar thing. Info below:
An expert in the polygraph and biocommunication, Cleve Backster
related details of his research into electrical responses in plant
life. His studies indicate that plants can sense human intent in a
kind of "primary perception" that he compared to ESP. For instance, in
experiments with bean sprouts --one group of sprouts was praised, the
second group ignored, and the third sent negative thoughts-- the
praised group grew much faster, he reported.
An experimenter can influence the results of a study. The studies
which showed plants preferred classical music might've been the result
of experimenter bias against rock music, he said. Backster's first
plant experiment took place in 1966, and he's now spent over 40 years
on this type of research, which he conducts out of a former DEA lab in
San Diego, in an under-funded fashion.
He also discussed his work with the polygraph, and noted that newer
polygraph equipment incorporates the use of a camera in its readouts.
Cleve Backster is the founder of the Backster Research Foundation and
currently teaches at the Backster School of Lie-Detection. He is also
on the teaching faculty at the California Institute for Human Science
and serves on the advisory board at the Institute of HeartMath.
Cleve is an international speaker on the subject of Biocommunication
and has been a professional observer of human psycho-physiological
tracings since 1948. Since 1966, Cleve has conducted extensive
research related to observed electrical responses in plant life and at
a cellular level in other living organisms. His research into what has
been called "The Backster Effect" has attracted world-wide attention.
I've wondered if the reason plants may respond to our talking to them,
is because of the carbon dioxide in our breath that they may need???
It might help to brush our teeth and gargle first, however;-)
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:27:20 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org
Okay, so there's the "Telepathic Plants" thing, but the process to
make compost in the horn of a cow and the ingredients...geesh I forgot
all of that till this reminded me.
That aside, there are some plants which do respond to touch, or noise,
but they are not sentient with consciousness. At least I don't
believe they are. However, I have heard from very adept Lama's that a
sentient being can live in a plant. It's one of the hell realms. I
cannot imagine that existence.
Yes, and this is the very delusion we fall for...that somehow being a
beloved pet or tree has a great life. Pets are still animals and
animals life in constant fear, though we don't notice it all the time.
My parrot is always afraid when a large raptor flies over the skylight
and she flys for the hills. In samsara everything suffers.
I don't think animals fear nearly as much as humans. Fear is a
byproduct of the ego, which I don't think afflict animals, because
they just pee or crap anywhere and don't have any shame for it. Nor do
they have possessions to covet or social status to protect. I think
they may experience some fear, but that could also be their instinct
('spidey senses') telling them to beware of something. Not to get too
Eckhart Tolle on you, but they are probably a lot more in touch with
their intuition and live in complete presence and joy.
Thank you, but I think I'll trust what The Dalai Lama teaches
regarding suffering and fear. Humans are also animals. Parrots
absoluteley have social structure, as do whales, and many othe mammals
Living in a state of constant fear of being eaten, attacked, having
your guts ripped out alive to be eaten by a lioness, jackal, heyena,
etc. Some animals have higher range of understanding and it is my
belief, which is based on teachings I've heard and have confidence in
are that the lower the life form, the deeper into a hell realm the
sentient being resides and has that much harder a time pulling
themselves back up into a precious human rebirth. Animals depend on
us in that regard. Animals are no less important than any human in my
opinion. A sentient being is a sentient being. IN Tibetan "semchen"
means, literally, mind posessor. Any life with consciousness is a
sentient being. I can go on and on, but this is not a Tibetan
Buddhist forum and it would be inappropriate here. I would, however,
welcome the debate any time if you wish in the appropriate place.
At last, Buddha Shakyamuni instructs anyone hearing the teachings of
his findings to absolutely reject them if they are wrong. He never
made any claim to "one truth." He only taught what he exerienced.
Believe him, or not, have faith in the teachings or not. I am not
trying to sell it either way.
Not my experience either, especially with dogs and cats, with lots of
exceptions. (And I like Eckhart Tolle.) I think animals certainly
experience fear and suffering, but not constantly. And I do talk to
plants - how else will I know when they need something? :)
Kate - tulips, hawthorns,sugar maples, crab apples and redbuds blooming
- I love Spring! And the potatoes are coming up!
Well you might be right, they might suffer, although I regarded fear
as a manifestation of the ego. Perhaps they have egos too? Of course
they will be very cautious when they sense a potential predator, that
might even be involuntary. This is probably the wrong forum to discuss
animal behavior, but it's got me thinking.
The plants have such quiet little voices I can't hear them,
but they let me know when they are happy and like their
spot in the garden. :>)
The cats (like your Hound dog) definitely tell me what they
want: a treat, a head rub, and chin scratch.
I'm not smart enough yet to understand bird language, but
they do talk a lot.
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I enjoyed your post BTW
Depends on what you mean by "similar".
I talk when I am working. Not a constant jabber but more an incisive remark
from time to time. Like when you are threading a new drive belt over the
pulleys of your ride-on mower, the third time you catch your index finger
under the belt and then it slips off the pulley again you yell at it to "stay
the %6& where I put you!" and generally it does.
Or the bottle-raised bubble-headed chestnut arab that has just nudged me again
(cause he wants to play) and nearly knocked me off my feet, well then I think
really evil thoughts and he backs right off. He is a telpathic horse you see,
his sensitive nature is repelled by the negative vibrations.
It's the same with Jed the red kelpie. He is a dog with the second sight. He
knows in advance when we are going out. As departure time draws nearer he
will get more and more agitated and he will spend more time near the door,
when you open the door he bolts out to the car and waits to be let in. I have
proved this by opening the door at other times, say to go to the shed or turn
off the irrigation and he doesn't get nearly so wound up, but sedately heads
out with me to check that I am doing it right. He can sense the presence of a
naked sausage from the other end of the house too. This must be a very exotic
psychic force as the house frame is steel and it would filter out
So I wouldn't be amazed to learn that plants have psychic powers too and that
talking to them will make them happy.
This does bring up issues with diet. Vegetarians claim the moral high ground
over meat eaters. However carnivores rarely eat their diner alive but
herbivores do it all the time! Think of the bad karma that you get every time
you bite into a freshly pulled peach or slice a living cabbage! This is the
origin of saying grace before a meal (before the Christians coopted the ritual
as they did with so many other pagan ceremonies). You are apologising to the
carrots before you snuff out their tiny turn on the wheel of life.
Cleve Backster is apparently a man of extraordinary talent who is not afraid
to allow his conclusions to follow where ever the data leads. He reminds me
of Sigfreid the vet in _All Creatures Great and Small_ who proclaimed cogently
that "there is much good information to be discovered up a cow's arse".
yeah i've heard that talking to plants is good for them as well as to
gardener, because it serves as a therapy also.. something like that.but
i havent tried talking to my plants.but i think theres no wrong in doing
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