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descr: Milton Keynes
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I see no abuse. You might not like what was written, but that doesn't
necessarily make it an abuse of any usenet guidelines, ISP t&c's,
You could argue about the masked email address, but to be honest how
many people on usenet do exactly that? ... many if not most?
On the other hand, and IMHO your actions pointing <x> hundred people at
an abuse contact for the posters ISP, could easily be considered
malicious or even harassment - it could possibly have a real world
effect on their account or connectivity. It might be argued that is as
much if not more reason for an abuse report?
I won't post your ISP's abuse contact, anyone with half a brain doing a
blueyonder lookup at dnsstuff.com or somesuch could find it *if* they
really felt strongly enough that they *needed* it. Putting the abuse
contact in front of the world however just invites further malicious or
even unconsidered abuse reports.
[long aside follows]
I actually support Phil's posting of the FAQ and the linked site. FFS
someone is paying for the registration and the hosting, well done to
Phil, the contributors and anyone else involved in it.
Our somewhat porky colleague highlights what I think is a reasonable
point though, what if (sorry Phil, I know you wouldn't but bear with
me) decided to start including "B&Q are tossers" in the FAQ? Is it
right, is it fair? Is there any control? Any democratic vote etc etc
(legal opinions of libel aside please!). There is no charter for
uk.d-i-y, it's basically a free for all as things currently stand.
That, I think, is where our porky friend has the issue, I can't say I
agree with how he's going about it, but I can't say I disagree with his
We've got someone suggesting a moderated group at the moment, but I
don't see them getting flamed/abused off usenet.
P.S. If it did ever go to charter/vote, Phil would get my vote anyway
 We all know where pork comes from, the same place as bacon
 Sorry Phil, never met you, very presumptuous of me to call you Phil
Finally, to save anyone the lookup, you can report me to the usual
suspects at ntlworld.com if you find you don't like what I've written.
Sincere Regards to all, including EricP, Porky and Phil :-)
I do enjoy the occasional reasoned debate - even with those who I
disagree. Those debates which employ mutual respect even whilst
diametrically opposed and without resorting to insults, can be both
thought provoking and enlightening. Quite predictably though, your post
indicates you're not planning on too much of that.
Oh well. I'll leave you with your credentials as a thoughtful debater
and thinker intact.
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You should be aware that although replies in most cases are perfectly
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