OT Shale gas.

[Chris Hogg]

Needless to say, it doesn't address the arguments. No wonder you posted it.

Here's another Wiki link, listing all those well-qualified academics, meteorologists and climatologists world-wide who don't hold with the IPCC's view of climate change. Have they all got shit-fer-brains too, Harry? Or perhaps it's just you.

[Tim Streater]

And, en plus, either way we are talking about *beliefs*, and

*opinions*, harry. Neither of which are relevant to science.

[Martin Brown]

Several of them have previous as deniers for hire on tobacco causing cancer or CFCs destroying ozone coupled with extreme ultra right affiliations with US organisations like Heartland, Marshall and CATO.

It is actually a pretty good heuristic for detecting deniers for hire!

The odd one also believes in YEC. The Oregon petition is an infamous manufactured piece of "doubt" wilfully intended to mislead the public into believing that there is controversy where none exists.

Fred Seitz a man who sold his soul to big tobacco to keep the suckers smoking and exploited similarly misleading tactics when he worked for Philip Morris as did other key players in that fabrication.

Thanks to US freedom of information laws we can see what his former employer thought of him well before he got involved in AGW denial.

Here is the original source document:

[bert]

So publish all your data and your models if you are so sure of your argument.

[Martin Brown]

Several of them have previous as deniers for hire on tobacco causing cancer or CFCs destroying ozone coupled with extreme ultra right affiliations with US organisations like Heartland, Marshall and CATO.

It is actually a pretty good heuristic for detecting deniers for hire! Look for the prior connection with big tobacco or the far right.

The odd one also believes in YEC. The Oregon petition is an infamous manufactured piece of "doubt" wilfully intended to mislead the public into believing that there is controversy where none exists.

Fred Seitz a man who sold his soul to big tobacco to keep the suckers smoking and had exploited similarly misleading tactics when he worked for Philip Morris as did other key players in that fabrication.

Thanks to US freedom of information laws we can see what his former employer thought of him well before he got involved in AGW denial.

Here is the original source document:

[Chris Hogg]

You cast vague aspersions on 'several' (details unspecified), attempt to divert the argument by posting irrelevant information on someone who isn't even on the list, and ignore or try to dismiss by association the remainder, all of whom are very well qualified to hold valid alternative views to the IPCC on climate change.

Hardly a convincing argument from you, which doesn't get any better for being posted twice. Pah!

With blackwash like that, no wonder more and more people are questioning the whole basis of the AGW argument.

[The Natural Philosopher]

+1E12

Methinks they do protest too much.