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My bad, there`s so many with a similar name and i`m losing the plot with them all now :-}
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Grunff wrote:

My local company is www.woc.co.uk.
I am sure they will shp whatever you want assembled, tested and OS installed at a lot less than 2k.
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2000 - crikey I'd want a Laptop bunged in as well.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/PCS.html
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"Chris Oates" <none> wrote in message

Had a look there ... they look a bit budget to be honest. I'm looking for a quality PC builder who puts time & love into the models they spec - not a big warehouse that stuffs things together and sells them on the speed specs alone.
Testament to that is my last PC, the one I'm using now, that I bought 5.5 years ago. It's a PII 400 with 448MB of RAM in it, top end sound & video cards from a few year back. Go out and buy a 500 machine now which on paper has all the figures you think count and this one will still kick its arse in many areas. Motherboard and drives are where the main speed is lost now on this old machine.
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On 19 Jan 2004, al wrote

FWIW, I don't think you should be looking at on-line/national type operations -- your specs and knowledge are too good for that.
You could undoubtedly source and build this thing yourself, but if you don't want to do that I figure you should ask around in your area for a local "geek guy company" PC builder; discuss what you want with him -- you know pretty well as much as he will, so it's not an uneven discussion; set a reasonable budget (my guess: a *lot* less than 2K); and have him put it together and get it running for you.
That way, you:
(1) know precisely what you're getting
(2) can customise it with somebody who knows the merits of "this MB vs that MB" and "this card vs that card"
(3) have a legal comeback if something's not right
(4) forge a link with a grateful "local geek company" if something needs fine-tuning in the future.
My tuppence, anyway...
(And, no: I'm not a local-geek-company. But I've used them...)
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Thanks for the suggestions, you may be right. I've certainly got quite a few more good resources to look at now, so thanks a million to all who replied. Think I'm just going to have to do a bit more homework and do the sums of home build v. luxury box makers. I'll let you know what I get in the end anyway ;o)
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al wrote:

I would go along with that...

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I know a company that is happy to tackle specialist PC requirements - I work for them ;-) If you want to drop me an email, I would be quite happy to get you a quote against your spec.
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I might take you up on that - I've saved your details till I get some time at the weekend. Where are your lot based out of interest?
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al wrote:

We are in Southend-on-Sea....
(but then Amtrak will deliver most places ;-)
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Unless you are into gaming in a big way you don't need to spend even 1k let alone 2!
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I very much beg to differ!!! If you want to even look at any new games in a year's time, such a machine won't even run them. I'm not looking for some cheap heap that surfs the web and loads MS Office quickly!
Perhaps I should lay out some of my bare minimum requirements:
Intel or AMD - don't mind, but no more than one down from current fastest CPU At least 2GB of *FAST* RAM (not cheap no-brand crap ... really Corsair are my favourite here) 2 HDDs - one about 60GB, the other about 160GB - both SATA, min 7200rpm Optical - one reader (all formats), one writer (all formats - including both DVD!) ATi Radeon 9800XT 256 graphics card Sound Blaster Audigy 2ZS sound card Decent speakers - at least 5.1 sound
However, banging the bits together in a warehouse does not make a good PC necessarily! High end manufacturers spend a lot of time testing and working with the OEMs to produce stuff that works really well together. VoodooPC win tonnes of awards in the US - I'm trying to find a UK equivalent to compare with.
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al wrote:

While I'm in full agreement with you re. the spec, I don't agree with the "manufacturers spend a lot of time" bit.
You've listed your components. All you need to add to that is a really good motherboard, and you can't go wrong. There is very little tweaking to be done.
The things that high end manufacturers have normally won out on is using well designed cases with proper airflow around *all* the components, including the drives, and using good quality PSUs.
Good cooling and good PSUs are easy off the shelf items these days.
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Or liquid cooled - probably getting a bit too expensive for me though! There's a lot to be said for good design though. Hard to judge just how it will work out space wise when looking at a plastic case and a motherboard separately ....
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With all due respect you preternaturally stupid tosser, what the "FAQ" are you posting in here for?
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And with no due respect back ... FAQ off! With that kinda language and attitude ... do your parents know you're up using their PC at this time of night?
The topic says "O/T". This doesn't give me license to abuse a newsgroup, but I don't feel I am as I haven't just breezed in here and randomly posted. I know from the regulars here that PCs quite often come up in conversation and there is knowledge among them. Much more refreshing knowledge than your average nerdy PC builder's NG. As I quite regularly post here and have had many entertaining and lengthy debates on all sorts of topics (even with IMM no less!!), I respect many of the opinions voiced here on many different topics.
If you want to vent your pent up aggression, scroll down a bit and have a look at the massively cross-posted flame-war rubbish that's being going on for the last few days. They'd like you there - full of your type!
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al wrote:

He's always like this al - ignore him.
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The idiot seems to know what he wants so what does hew need to post here about it for. He's dead keen on nursing it along too. What is he getting out of it? By all means let him spam here with a good techie forum if there is one. But not fill the bloody servers with the tripe.
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Actually, if you'd have read the thread properly, you'd see that I have always known exactly what I wanted in terms of spec - that wasn't the question. The question was about quality high end manufacturers over here and what other people may have done in a similar situation. I was frustrated that the only place I could find a really attractive machine of that spec for a really good price was in Canada.
Strange you should bother reading it if it's a topic you're so opposed to ... Tell you what, here's a free tip - click the little minus sign at the start of this thread and it will become a lovely little single line entry with a plus sign in your news reader! Do you often feel compelled to do things you don't like just because you see them ..?
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The most expensive bit is usually buying the latest chip. If you go the true d-i-y route and use a good motherboard, you can get quite a lot of life out of a build by replacing the CPU once in a while. Few games need the very latest chip to work and, by the time most games need that chip, it will have dropped a lot in price. For example, the P4 3.2GHz 800FSB chip has dropped from over 400 + VAT to about 250 +VAT since the P4 EE chip (590 + VAT) has come onto the market, but I don't have any games that won't work happily with a 175 + VAT 3.0GHz 800 FSB P4.
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