OT: Raising the minimum wage doesn't work.

[krw]

Malformed doesn't. He's *that* stupid and has proven it with every post.

[krw]

That's precisely why Democrats insist on increasing the minimum wage. It keeps them on the plantation so they'll continue to be reliable votes. Anyone with a hope of bettering themselves would tar and feather any Democrat.

[trader4]

"repugnicans" are rigid about money? What in the world does that mean? As for pissing and moaning about "repugnicans", the Democrats controlled the WH, Senate, and House for Obama's first two years. They could and did pass everything that they told us was going to fix the economy and make everythig wonderful. The key things they wanted, $800bil stimulus, Obamacare, extended unemployment benefits, they got. They even got their tax hike on Americans. Now after 5 years of that under Obama, with the Democrats still controlling the Senate, you want to blame the economy on Republicans? Good grief!

Obama told us he had the answers, he got what he said was gonna fix everything, so why ask us?

The answer is a pro-business president with policies that create JOBS. Who's blocking the Keystone pipeline? Who shut down all drilling in the Gulf because of one accident? Who had the labor dept screwing Boeing, by not allowing them to open their new plant that employed 3,000 in SC, because a union in Washington claims that it was unfair? Who raised taxes that hit many small businesses where new jobs are created? Which country has one of the highest corp tax rates in the world?

Stop doing things that are stupid, that's part of the answer.

[trader4]

Where exactly do you think living wages, healthcare, etc appear from, if not from corporations? That's where countless Americans have found good paying jobs, health care, vacation, sick days, retirement plans, etc. The libs are the ones spreading out the pixie dust in the form of record numbers of people on food stamps, unemployment insurance that never ends, welfare, etc. The corporations actually pay employees out of real money. The libs pay it out of the govt printing press and pile it on to the national debt.

[Robert Green]

Extremely wrong. On more than one count. Opinions are very often based on almost nothing BUT facts. Many people have been sentenced to death because the "opinion" of a forensic pathologist was persuasive enough to sway a jury. That opinion is usually based on the detailed examination of evidence and using scientific tests to draw conclusions. When such witnesses are qualified by the court as experts in their field, their "expert opinion" is considered factual, especially when compared to say the musings of self-qualified internet expert. (-:

Secondly, there are now dozens of well-designed studies that support your observation that raising the minimum wage *cuts* dependency on food stamps and other government handouts.

It has a pretty easy to understand description (with graphics) of those studies with a nice summation of the most important work in the field like this one:

The gist? Yes, some jobs may be lost but the benefits far outweigh the negatives. The article concludes with:

[trader4]

This whole thing is a crock. The vast majority of people who are earning minimum wage are not supporting a family. They are young, under 25, many are teenagers in part-time jobs. That's the way the world works. You get an entry level job that requires no skills. A lot of people do that when still in high school, or summer jobs during college. Then you move up to a better, higher paying job. The libs want to pretend the world is static and that there are 50 year olds out there that are supporting a family of 4 on min wage. Raising the min wage will solve nothing. There are about 1.5 mil people earning min wage, but that group isn't static. People start there and move up. It's just another read herring instead of fixing the real problems with the economy. The solution to better wages for *everyone* is economic policies to grow the economy. Instead, we have a president who chooses to divide, engage in class warfare. Now he's saying he's gonna ignore the constitution and try to go it alone. We'll see how far that gets him.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

you can support this opinion with facts?

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no, they would like you to understand that they are TRYING to support a family of 4 and that min wage doesn't allow that

Raising the