The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
"The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with
order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does
not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it
will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
-- Robert Jackson - Supreme Court Justice
...or if you want someone more contemporary with Franklin:
"A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high
duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of
necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger,
are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence
to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life,
liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus
absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Well, at that time there were very few of anybody of today... :)
But, in case you were under a rock, there were Muslims that were threats
even then--check out the origins of the Marine anthem--those exploits
mentioned date from only 25 years after...
Q. What percentage of US national budget went to tribute to protect
shipping interest from these pirates up until the time action was
That doesn't justify violating the Constitution.
BTW, and totally unrelated to the Constitution. Muslims have been a threat
to the US since before there was a US. Think: Pirate.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
When the Bill of Rights was written, today's Muslims were not a threat.
In case you have been living under a rock for the last decade, there are
*some* Muslims that don't like the US and they want to kill us!
Oh yea, abuse and terrify the citizenry to keep them safe. Government
agents must molest every citizen who wants to travel to protect them
but never profile because that is racist and may violate someone's civil
rights, especially if they're a terrorist. The people who support that
kind of government abuse have brain damage. o_O
Actually they were a threat when they were created 1400 years ago
You need to study up a bit more on that cult of death.
The very BASIC view of Islam with respect to everyone else in the world is
Dar-al-Islam versus Dar-al-Harb.
The House of Islam against the "House of War".
If you're not part of Islam, you are automatically part of the "House of
War". And that means that anyone in Islam can make "war" on you anytime they
In more simple terms, it's a STANDING DECLARATION OF WAR
So as long as Islam is around, and you are not part of it, you have a target
on your forehead.
I don't have a good calibrated device. I have one with a simple meter, but
not calibrated in watts sq. There is a standard regulated limit. I would
have to look it up.
Got to watch food build up around seal. Worst thing is your eyes next to
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson
I put a whole egg in the first one we bought (about 33 years ago). It would
have made a real treat (incredibly light and fluffy scrambled eggs), if it
hadn't been for the shell. ...another experimental failure.
Years ago, my older sister placed a china plate that had a decorative
gold metal inlay pattern on said plate into the microwave oven. There
were a lot of noisy sparks jumping all over that plate. Her jumping
up and down and screaming was very entertaining too. ^_^
I do it all the time. When I want to destroy CDs/DVDs with sensitive
information I find that four or five seconds in the microwave oven makes
them completely unreadable. Far more secure than cutting them up or using a
Might be hard on modern gear but my 1984 Litton manual-twist timer 900W oven
has eaten 100's of CDs and DVDs without incident. It's only a few seconds
of crackling and it destroys the disks so thoroughly - the patterns look
like crazed varnish - that I doubt anyone but the NSA could recover even
parts of it.
I think by the time it's thirty years old I will have to open it to replace
the fan - it's getting noisy - but other than that, the simpler the better.
My sister's gone through at least 4 much newer and fancier ones in all that
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:00:56 +0000, Red Green wrote:
Mine's been at the bottom of the office closet for over 4 years; I think
I've perhaps missed it (in the sense of "wow, I could sure use the
convenience of a cell phone right now") for all of ten minutes in all
that time. I am admittedly around a land-line and email a lot, but for
times when that's not the case there are few things in life that can't
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