Would like to clear out some dirt from under the porch and pour in some
cement. I am going to call some contractors tomorrow to find out if they
could use it for fill. If I don't have any luck, I may call for a small
dumpster container. (I don't know if they will take dirt???
My plan is to shovel the dirt onto a wheelbarrow. Then, wheel it to the
dump truck or dumpster. Seems like I'd have to shovel the dirt again...
from the wheelbarrow to the truck or dumpster. Is there an easy way to move
the dirt without hiring a truck with some sort of scoop. Ideally, there
would be some sort of ramp I could use. Any suggestions?
Put a sign on your lawn "Free Fill". You'll find someone that needs
to fill a hole. I ask why you want to cement under a porch? And why
not put it OVER the dirt. Make a 2x4 frame, and fill it.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:43:26 GMT, "Charlie S."
Why does the porch need stabilizing? And if you're in an area with freeze
issues there may be more to the work than you think. Frost heave can affect
porch posts if they're not set deep enough into the soil. The depth varies
depending on where you're located.
Granite footing? Some natural rock already there or something put down just
for the porch? Again, if you've got freezing winters that's not usually
enough for porch supports. If they're just buried on the top only a few
inches deep that's a problem. Sometimes that can be solved just by
installing some temporary steel support columns, removing the current post,
digging and pouring a new footing and replacing the post.
Dirt generally doesn't 'migrate' unless it's on a loose substrate or has a
lot of water running onto it. As in, a pile of soil put on top of a bunch
of construction debris alongside the botton of a hill.
You generally can't just pour a slab and use that as a base for posts.
Well, you COULD but it's certainly not up to building code in many areas.
Better to sink a post hole (to the proper depth) and put down a footing or
two in the needed locations than pour a slab that's going to heave and
crack. Most counties have guidelines on porch/deck installations. Search
the web for the one in your area. Whether or not you follow the code (or
get a permit) is entirely up to you but you'd do well to find out what they
require. Better safe than sorry.
I'm finding that out the hard way. There a number of issues. Water and
weight distribution are keys.
Frost heave can affect
Yes, water is a key culprit. One granite column and a couple 4X4 columns
are supporting the front corner of the porch. The granite situation is not
the best. The blocks are thin and rest vertically on top of each other. On
the other edge of this corner, the mortar has come apart and water damaged
the supporting wooden columns. Thus, no support whatsover here.
You described this porch. It's a fairly large porch. L-shaped.... 19x10
and 16x6 following the L.
Sometimes that can be solved just by
This is a bit of problem. There isn't much room abehind the corners where
the columns now rest.
I was thinking of digging a hole and catching the corner the best I could
with a temporary lally column as best I could. Doesn't appeal to me all
that well. Instead, I was thinking of sinking a number of sona tubes
beneath the porch. Spaced 6 ft apart. (Someone told me that is in the
city's code.) Then, running three 2x8 boards (nailed together) beneath the
rafters while supporting them with wooden posts (or rented lally columns, if
there is such a thing) that would rest upon the sona tubed cement.
I was thinking of running the boards a foot beyond the sill. And, place
lally columns behind the granite base with the new boards resting on them.
The pressure would now be on the boards/lally columns and not on the
granite. That way I could dig out the granite base and dig down 4 feet or so
to build a better footing to rest the base granite on. Afterward, build the
sill up with granite and/or steel posts, then I could cut the extended
This seems like it might be a bit of headache. May try and get someone to
help me here.
I took a few photos of the porch and put some of them on the web.
Unfortunately, I couldn't use the software very well and couldn't put them
in any particular order.
I sometimes see signs in fron of houses "clean fill wanted" by people th at
want to fill in their yard. You can post on the craiglist web site that you
have fill available. If you really get lucky, maybe you can get some help
None offhand, but I'd consider building a ramp of some sort. At least a 2 x
10 that would get you up to tailgate height of a pickup. Any chance of
backing that pickup right to the dig site?
How much dirt are you talking about? Why not move it to another
part of the yard. Spread it around. If you're talkin about 5 or more
yrds. pile it and use a bobcat to load it in a dump but that can get
exspensive. I'd try to spread it, even in the grass evenly.
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can\'t make them THINK"
has about a dozen FreeCycle groups... the purpose is to GIVE away
JUNK .... Sort of one persons junk is another treasure...
Heck some guy was giving away 200 or so 8 inch block the other day
locally....which I missed out on... LOL
always a ton of baby cloths but I bet someone locally has a need for
a little dirt...
Most dumps charge by weight, it doesn't matter what's in there. Barring
restrictions on materials, of course. I took about 12 tons of clay soil
outta my backyard last summer. Sunbelt rents backhoes. They also rent
trailers. Do NOT get one without the hydraulic dump bed. No sense in
shoveling it into the trailer only to have to shovel it back out again.
Look for new home construction nearby. If you've got clean dirt that's just
the soil, not leaves, sticks or other waste, then they might let you dump a
bit of it. I got rid of several trailer loads this way (after paying the
dump a few times...)
The backhoe cost me around $200 to rent for a couple of days. It was a
Terra-mite; a small backhoe. Really pretty easy to operate once you get the
hang of it. One side's a regular scoop and the other's a backhoe. But
whether or not you could use one depends on just what it'll take to get that
dirt out. Otherwise, get a trailer intended for landscaping use. They
usually have a swing gate/ramp on the back. Then you can just drop the ramp
and wheel in the wheelbarrow. But these don't always have a hydraulic dump
lift and those that do don't always have a ramp gate. Mine didn't, BIG
mistake. I had to shovel the damned stuff back out of there after having
loaded it up sooooo easily with the TerraMite.
Also, some dumpster services will bring a half-container that has a swing
gate. You just roll into it and pile it up.
Dirt is heavy, make sure whatever you tow it with can handle the weight. A
landscape trailer that's entirely filled weighed in at around 8000 pounds.
So don't go filling a trailer unless you're certain the truck can move it.
That and the trailer might not be rated for that much weight. When it blows
a tire you will be *ASTOUNDED* at how easily it just whips you and your
truck around in a 360 across 3 lanes of traffic... Bring spare shorts.
Also consider that dirt will expand when you dig it up. What looks like
only a few cubic yards turns into quite a bit more when dug up. It's all
nice and compacted in the ground but fill of extra space and air when broken
up into shovelfuls.
Spreading it around is good advice but only if the soil's suitable, mine
wasn't due to being almost entirely clay. No sense smearing all that orange
crap on top of already good topsoil.
How about scatter the dirt out onto the lawn? It would settle among the
grass, and you'd hardly know it was there.
Hire the neighborhood kids to stomp down all the dirtclods, and it would
hardly raise the lawn any.
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