Exactly. Or, if you can keep them running, how much does it *cost*
to do so?
Washer/dryer had close to 20 years on them before SWMBO just decided
she didn't like looking at them and wanted replacements. New washer
lasted 16-18 months (in a household that does very few loads) before
needing service (which, of course, would have been out-of-warranty).
Refrigerator is 20+ years old. SWMBO also tired of looking at it.
OTOH, after seeing the prices of new, hearing about typical life
expectancy AND the washing machine experience, decided ours doesn't
look too bad after all! :>
[You can buy a CAR for the price of some of these new refrigerators!]
Freezer has been in the (hot) garage for more than 20 years. It
was 20 years old when we moved in. Wanna bet we wouldn't see
half that with a new unit? And, new units aren't as easy to defrost
as this one (we can empty it, defrost it, and refill it in less than
Friend makes smoothies. He's on his third blender/juicer in probably
5 years. We juice 200+ pounds of oranges (granted, different technique)
annually (325 pounds this year) with our antique "Acme Juicerator"
(half expect to see Wile E Coyote doing an advert for them!) and have
done so for 20+ seasons.
Impossible to make a truly accurate comparison. Last toaster I bought
was a good quality model that cost $50+, but on the next shelf they had
one for $8. In 1959 you could not find one equal to the $8 toaster made
in China (as was the expensive one)
I do recall spending $169 for a B & W 19" TV 50 years ago when I was
making about half that a week. Two weeks wages now would buy be a few
65" TVs today.
On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 4:47:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
And I for one don't necessarily want to keep the same TV or kitchen appliance
for 50 years. Fifty years ago, a window AC cost a hundred bucks,
which would be what, $500 to $1000 in today's dollars? Now you can
buy one for $150. Nor sure how long one lasts versus the other, but
modern ones are quiet, lighter weight, look much nicer, etc. Even
if it lasts half as long, I'm happy with the value proposition.
How do you figure? 80x7.25[*] = $580. I've not seen any 65" T.V.s
for $580. The nationwide mean salary is circa $50,000 which is $2000 for
two weeks. That might be enough to buy a nice 4k 65" TV, with little left over for
[*] Federal minimum wage.
Using the nationwide mean salary you are right. I was using my own wage
difference from then to now. You can get a 65" for about $1100. No
matter how you compare, you get a lot more TV today than you did 50
years ago, even 5 years ago.
We went around on this in October 2013. As some of kind of proxy for
overall living standards, which is what AEI's Perry is implicitly
inviting readers to do, it's misleading. Liars, damn liars, and
On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 07:32:22 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
Who has 11 appliances? I have 5. Stove, Refrig, Washer, Dryer,
Microwave. That's it. (Unless a TV, Stereo, Radio, Toaster, Electric
Frying pan, or Computer is considered an appliance... There are only 2
more appliances that I can think of, which I dont have. A Dishwasher and
a Freezer. What else is there..... To make 11 of them???
On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, since an "appliance garage" is designed to house/hide small electrics
and at least one definition of appliance reads "a device or piece of
equipment designed to perform a specific task, typically a domestic one"
the list can quite extensive.
Off the top of my head, I have at least 13:
Drip Coffee Pot
"He" obviously didn't read the article. That's the problem with trolls...
I suspect MOST people have a:
- washing machine
- vacuum cleaner
- color TV
Some may no longer have a toaster -- or, may have a toaster OVEN, instead.
Or, a blender. I don't have a coffee maker cuz I drink tea (As Fr. Guido
Sarducci would advertise: Mr Tea)
And, there may be some uncertainty over:
Well, I have 9 of the 11. I'd leave the TV off the list. That
isn't an appliance in my view. That would put the 1959 hours at 758 vs.
the 2016 hours at 140. The 1959 worker had to work 5.4 times as many
as the 2016 worker for about the same stuff.
Others have mentioned how much more reliable the old stuff was. Not TVs.
Tubes went out, the vertical and horizontal holds were sometimes finicky,
and remote controls are better channel changers than kids.
No microwave on the list. I thought they weren't invented until the 1960s
but found out differently. An article here http://preview.alturl.com/zb2nq
talks about a man named Tracy Spencer. He dropped out of school at 12 but
became an expert on radar tubes.
He had a candy bar melt in his pocket at work so decided to investigate.
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:06:29 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
I dont consider a toaster, crock pot, elec frying pan, blender, elec can
opener, and so on appliances. They're just kitchen gadgets.
I also dont consider tv, stereo, radio, or computer on that list, since
they are entertainment. And definitely not the toilet...
In my opinion, appliances are large items that run on electricity or
That would include
And maybe Air Conditioner
Of course if we include the Air Cond, we may as well add a furnace to
On Saturday, March 12, 2016 at 7:10:07 AM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
You may not consider them to be appliances, but most people do, including
kitchen designers. DAGS for "appliance garage" and look at the images of
what they are designed to store.
Take a look at what Target considers to be appliances:
Home Depot has a webpage for Small Appliances
You are not wrong by calling them "gadgets", but being a gadget
doesn't preclude them from also being appliances. This website
considers "kitchen appliances" to be a 'related phrase' in their
definition of gadget.
On Saturday, March 12, 2016 at 7:49:12 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
A device or piece of equipment designed to perform a specific task, typically a domestic one.
It's very broad. I consider a TV, stereo, window AC, etc to be appliances.
Which is why there are shopping categories that narrow it down, like
On Saturday, March 12, 2016 at 7:58:08 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
I offered that exact definition to Paint yesterday. It's up to him to
accept or not.
Retailers call them appliances, as do manufacturers:
"Cuisinart continues to deliver premium countertop appliances that
are truly multifunctional..."
I remember when stores like Macy's had a section for Small Electrics.
Maybe they still do. If you DAGS _small electrics_ 99%+ of the hits
use the word "appliance".
As I said, Paint can choose to accept that those devices are considered
appliances or not. I do.
On 03/12/2016 05:09 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
www.kitchenaid.com calls them counter-top appliances.
www.electroluxappliances.com calls them small appliances.
And Team Bezos (www.amazon.com) calls them appliances as well.
So I guess PaintedCowPie is wrong again. ;-)
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