Help installing woods 3 way timer switch

Hello I tried to install the switch yesterday with all possible cable combi nations and I was not able to get it to work. The best outcome was when I hook the black wire to the black wire, the red wire to the red wire, and t he white wire to the white wire. The green wire goes to the cooper line ins ide the box. This house was build in 1960. There is a regular switch on on e side of the 3 way setup. If that switch is ON the light on the 3 way is O N. If I push the button on the 3 way woods switch while the light is ON, th e lights go ON for less than one second and then it jumps to the off posito n after a small click sound. This happens with both switches that I got. Wh at could be going on?
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On 9/26/2013 6:09 AM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Manufacturer and model number for the 3-way timer? Or, better, link to the installation instructions? (How does it work?)
The timer white is probably a neutral and the wiring white is not a neutral.
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On Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:02:48 AM UTC-4, bud-- wrote:

ombinations and I was not able to get it to work. The best outcome was wh en I hook the black wire to the black wire, the red wire to the red wire, a nd the white wire to the white wire. The green wire goes to the cooper line inside the box. This house was build in 1960. There is a regular switch o n one side of the 3 way setup. If that switch is ON the light on the 3 way is ON. If I push the button on the 3 way woods switch while the light is ON , the lights go ON for less than one second and then it jumps to the off po siton after a small click sound. This happens with both switches that I got . What could be going on?

al.
Sounds like a good possibility. If the new timer is electronic, it needs a neutral. But some things don't add up. It would seem to me an electronic 3-way timer would have 5 connections:
common, two travelers neutral, ground.
And the old switch would have had the same, minus the neutral. Also possible the old switch was grounded by using the metal box. But it sounds like we're only talking about 4 wires total, not 5? Seems bizarre that a white wire would be coming out of a 3 way timer that doesn't need a neutral.
So, where did the white wire come from? Two possibilities:
1 - It was connected to the old switch, in which case Bud's theory is confirmed, it's not a neutral.
2 - It was a new pig tail added off of a group of white wires that were wire nutted together, ie neutrals.
Also, just to clarify, he said that the switch on the other end is a "regular" switch. I'm assuming that means it's a 3-way switch that's not a timer? When I first read it, I thought he meant it was a "regular" single pole switch, ie not 3-way.
A final possibility. Depending on how fancy this new 3 way timer is, it might need one of it's own kind on the far end.
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On 9/26/2013 8:23 AM, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Some of them are battery.
I think gfretwell wrote that some of them used the ground as a neutral and got away with it because the ground current was less than the allowed leakage current.

Other than just not re-marking if it should have been, it used to be allowed to use the neutral in 3-wire romex without re-marking it if it is the hot feed to a 3-way switch.

There was an electronic 3-way in an old thread where the 3-ways worked with a hot, neutral, and 3rd wire that was a control wire between the switches. If I remember right, another wire connected to the light at the switch where the light connection was.
To the OP - all of that is why we need to look at the installation instructions for the timer.
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On Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:39:47 AM UTC-4, bud-- wrote:

combinations and I was not able to get it to work. The best outcome was when I hook the black wire to the black wire, the red wire to the red wire, and the white wire to the white wire. The green wire goes to the cooper li ne inside the box. This house was build in 1960. There is a regular switch on one side of the 3 way setup. If that switch is ON the light on the 3 wa y is ON. If I push the button on the 3 way woods switch while the light is ON, the lights go ON for less than one second and then it jumps to the off positon after a small click sound. This happens with both switches that I g ot. What could be going on?

utral.

But would a new 3-way timer have a white wire coming out of it that was not a neutral? Would that even be code compliant?
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J,
Before you hook the switch to these wires you need to figure out what the wires do. Do you have a volt meter? What country are you in? Do you have written instructions? What model number is your switch?
Dave M.
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On Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:16:00 PM UTC-4, David L. Martel wrote:

What? You don't believe in the trial, flash, bang method?
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When you find the wiring that doesn't trip the breaker, you're getting close.
. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .
On 9/26/2013 12:20 PM, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

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On 9/26/2013 11:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

It's part of what I call "The Jesus Method", remember? ^_^
TDD
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Shor thin honeychile. Ah rememmer.
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On 9/26/2013 12:33 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

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Thanks Guys, I think I messed up. Looks like there are no cheap 3 way timers. I thought it was a 3 way but i read on the box in the amazon website that it is not.
The model is Woods 59007
So why does it have 4 cables? i know what to do with the red, black and green cables but what does the white one do? Ill try today on a different wall.
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On Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

As previously explained the additional white wire is for connection to a neutral. The timer is electronic and without a neutral, the electronics have no source of power. Code has recently been updated to require a neutral at switch boxes to accommodate that. Lots of times you have neutrals there anyway because of how the wiring is run. But sometimes you don't.
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On 9/26/13 1:41 PM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

For those interested, the install sheet for the Woods 59007 is at http://www.ccixpress.com/cci/Marketing/Woods_US_Timer_Instructions/TM_59007_InstrMan.pdf
It is an SPST, not a 3-way. The 4 wires go like this:
Black on sw > incoming Hot black from panel
Switched Hot Red > outgoing black toward lamp
Green > Green ground
All 3 whites tied together.
So it is the same 3 wires as on a $.99 SPST switch, with addition of a white neutral connection
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J,
You have wired the switch correctly ( most likely). Return the defective switch and try a new one. There are 4 wires because they are needed. The black wire carries 120v to the switch. The white wire is the neutral around which the 120 volts is refenced. These two wires are the electric source to your fancy switch. The red wire supplies 120 volts as the output of your switch., i.e. when the switch is on there is 120 v. The red wire is also referenced to the neutral white wire. A red and a white should go to whatever you are powering off of the switch. The green wire is a ground which is there for safety reasons. The white wire and the green wire are connected together in your main breaker panel.
Dave M.
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On Friday, September 27, 2013 7:59:11 AM UTC-4, David L. Martel wrote:

I guess you missed the part about the existing circuit being 3-way and this new timer switch being a single pole. It can't work.
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Ooops, You're right. I thought he said it wasn't a three way switch for some reason. Ignore my last post J. You need to get a voltmeter and sort our what's going on with the wires.
Dave M.
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On Friday, September 27, 2013 2:39:18 PM UTC-4, David L. Martel wrote:

He did say it's not a 3-way switch. That is the new timer switch he bought is not 3-way. The old switch he was trying to replace was 3-way.
Ignore my last post J. You need to get a voltmeter and sort our what's

He needs to get a 3-way switch too.
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Trader,
Been there. Done that. Older and wiser now.
Dave M.
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