I have four burners on top of my range, two pilot lights. It's not
always like this but when I walk by the oven I can smell gas a little.
The smell is at the pilot lights that are lit. I adjusted the flame as
low as they can be and still work. I can't find any gas leaks. Does
this give any clue
as to what might be wrong? It's an old Tappan range, not sure how old
but it's new enough that it has a black glass range door if that helps.
if the pilot is burning then thats not the cause, you can put soap in
water and apply with brush to find leaks.
check the line behind the stove if its a corrugated metal one its
likely leaking and some have been recalled
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:34:11 GMT, "New & Improved - N/F John"
This is good advice. If you can afford to do so, buying a new gas
range would be your best move. You can buy a model with no pilot
light. The electronic igniters work very well.
The gas connection at the rear of the range is by far the most likely
location of a leak. Humans don't have great directional accuracy in
our olfactory sense, so it can be difficult for us to tell from which
direction a smell is coming. Beagles, however...
Last year, I did my homework and bought a Frigidaire Gallery Series
gas range. I have been very happy with the purchase ever since.
Why are so many folks on this newsgroup so anxious to tell folks to
scrap the old and buy new, especially when his range requires a minor
leak repair, at worse?
I don't believe in filling landfills with useable stuff.
Buying a new range without any pilot lights will save only a minor
amount of energy and certainly won't save money. Why would a new range
automatically bake better?
My 38 year old range bakes fine and the oven thermostat is accurate.
It's a big old 36" gas range that has FOUR pilot lights. The pilots
barely move my gas meter during the summer months and my gas bill is
the customer service minimum during those months with no other
Plus the old Yankee in me says:
"Use it up, wear it out.
Make it do or do without."
I suppose the above is an archaic concept in our over-indulgent
So even if he gets a new stove, he may still have a problem.
You got me. You'd think this group was called alt.home.replace .
Don't know. A simple gas range can last forever, I think.
And then when it's time to retire, will there be enough money?
When I was in my 20's in the 70's and lived near a college, I made a
small bit of money fixing things for students. One customer in the
girl's dorm wanted me to fix a sewing machine and something else.
When I went to look at her stuff, she had a 12" B&W tv on the table
not far from the window with a very bad picture. I lived about 4
blocks away, and had a perfect picture. But I was using an abandoned
tv antenna on the roof and I had line of sight with the Empire State
Building (before the WTC was built)
I told her, for free :), that if she wanted a good picture she should
get some lamp cord or other wire and connect it to one or two of these
two screws and throw about 3 or 4 feet of it out the window. (She was
in a 10-story steel frame building, and maybe next to another building
the same height. But I'm pretty sure she would find some signal if
she put the wire outside of the building.
When I came back, I hadn't been able to fix the sewing machine iirc,
but I had fixed the other thing.
And she had a new 12" B&W tv on the table not far from the window with
a very bad picture. Instead of taking my advice, she had bought a new
tv. And the picture was no better.
For the work I had done, she offered me the old tv. And I thought it
was at least the price I had quoted her, 10 or 15 dollars. So I gave
her the same advice I'd given her the first time about how to get a
good picture, (she said nothing about having tried that the first
time) and I took the old tv home, where I got a perfect picture, just
using the rabbit ears.
P&M for some reason.
While I hate to ruin a perfectly good mindless rant, you do realize
that it is possible to sell an old range, rather than putting it into
the landfill? Also, places like Goodwill and the Salvation Army take
such donations, if they are in reasonable condition.
If most people held on to their old appliances as long as you do,
there wouldn't be much of a used appliance market. When I was just
starting out on my own, new appliances were out of my reach. The used
appliances were the only things that I could afford. There will always
be members of our society who will benefit from that segment of the
market, or from such donations.
So, it is not so much of a crime against humanity for someone who
considers his range to be 'old' (or insufficient in some way) to
replace the unit with a new model, if they can afford to do so. In
fact, such a practice is a vital part of our economy.
I hardly said that the above was a "crime against humanity".
Perhaps your arguement is valid IF most used appliances are resold.
Most aren't in my area.
Sears and other retailers contract with a trucking/disposal company
who pick up the old units and bring them to a storage area near a
local Sears wharehouse. They contract with a local guy who picks a few
parts off of them and the carcasses are then disposed of. For a time
the carcasses were sold off to a scrap metal company. Lately, scrap
prices are apparently so low that most are simply hauled off to a
In another town where I have property, "white goods" must be taken to
the local recycling center. Again, scrap prices are so low that it
costs the town money to have them hauled away by a recycler.
Most folks who buy new appliances don't bother to sell their old ones.
They simply have the new appliance dealer arrange for disposal as
Your community is very different from mine. Most people have their old
appliances hauled away by the same company that delivers their new
appliances. Sears and many smaller shops contract with one of several
companies who salvage working appliances for resale, use at the local
community college, Salvation Army, Goodwill and for parts. The
remainder, consisting of valuable steel, get sold for scrap at good
profit. I don't know where you got the idea that scrap prices are low.
Steel is at a premium.
A portion of the material certainly goes to the landfill, but there
are enough used appliance outlets in the area for folks to know that a
major portion does not go to the landfill. Since we were focusing on
WORKING appliances, it is certain that the vast majority of them go to
resale or non-profit donation.
So, upgrading ranges is still a reasonable option for responsible
Doug, I like your way of thinking but I dont know
how to proceed. I had a plumber come out and say
no leaks at the connection but he was not an
appliance person and could not tell me if the stove
might have a leak and when in doubt replace.
I had an appliance repair person look at it but since
the burners work, oven works, pilot lit, thats all he
was concerned with. No one can smell. The smell
is different from pure gas coming out of an unlit burner.
Could it just be something else. It came with the house
when I moved in. I dont ever use the oven.
It is not spic and span inside but as good as it will get. I use the burners
and turn the exhaust fan on , vents outside, whenever I pass and smell something.
I probably to just get a new one for peace of mind. I did get a carbon diox
detector which is plugged in the adjoing room. thx, Barb
You're asking the wrong people first. The NG company will leak test
_very_ thoroughly down to pinpointing the precise location(s) with a
very sensitive probe for no (or minimal) charge(*). It's part of their
If you eliminate gas leaks that way first, then question is whether the
odor occurs while in use or only while sitting idle other than
pilot(s?). Either way, it's likely an incomplete combustion issue with
whichever is the one and those issues can also be resolved; typically by
cleaning orifices that get plugged over the years and similar generally
relatively simple fixes.
The CO detector won't find raw gas; it will alert to a dangerous global
(roomwide or at its location) CO level but that is highly unlikely to
ever arise from a very small localized source such as a single stove
burner or pilot. A central furnace w/ a leaking manifold, yeah...
The probe the NG has likely has the facility to detect multiple and/or
will have other sensors with him. That service might be a separate
charge, I don't know in general.
(*) I'm going on places where I've lived which includes three states,
(VA,TN,KS) where that is (or at least was when in each) part of the
State Corporation Commission or whatever they call the oversight board
for the utilities. It's a public safety issue they're charged with and
the service is factored into their rates. It's possible there are areas
where there is a service fee; I don't know but would think even if so it
still would be better service for less than the commercial repair folks.
Today sadly seemingly everyone says just buy a new one it will fix
I fix office machines for a living, often the old models were way
better than todays...
plus the cost of the pilot gas will never even equal a fraction of the
cost of a new range...
Since Doug posted his question on April 2, 2006, I have a feeling that it's
time to say, "Ladies and gentlemen, Doug has left the building."
But, about your kitchen range/oven -- you can probably call your local gas
company and tell them you have a faint smell of gas in the kitchen the next
time that you smell it. They will probably come right out for free and
check it out and will tell you if there is a gas leak anywhere (including in
the flexible gas line or any of the connections). Let us know what they
I think a simple gas stove and oven should last 200 years at least.
And from what I hear, the new ones with electronic parts barely last at
all. But people buy new because it's pretty or to keep up with
Joneses they've never even met.
Tom and DP are right. I would suggest you also call the previous owner
of the house, not with an accusatory tone or any suggestion that you
woudl sue (since i'm sure you have no case anyhow.) but just asking if
they have any ideas about what it might be. It could easily be
something they fixed or had fixed once which started up again years
later. But calling the gas company is more important than calling the
It's true in the 5 other states I've lived in and I'm sure it's true in
all of them.
Do you folks remember the gas explosion that took place on the South
side of Indianapolis about 5 years ago. It turned out it was caused on
purpose by the owner. It's a shame the dummy blew up or burned down
his neighbor's house too.
You don't have as much gas OP but if you smell it you should fix it.
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