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December 2, 2010, 11:05 am
When the weather here in the mid-Atlantic turned cold in the last
month, we began experiencing a problem in our house we didn't have
last year. The programmable thermostat will call for a temperature
increase, the furnace will run for a few-to-several minutes, the temp
in the house will increase by 1-2=B0 and then the heater will stop
without getting close to the target temp.
In the past the furnace has run for ~5 minutes and then shut down for
a cooling period while the exhaust fan still ran=97I'm assuming that's
to keep the burners from overheating=97and then fire back up to continue
to heat. But now the system just completely shuts down and doesn't
fire back up again for long periods of time, sometimes a couple hours.
Another symptom is that we have the thermostat set to 65=B0 at night and
to come up to 70=B0 at 6:45AM, but when we get up at 7AM the temperature
in the house has been 62=B0. Why would it be 3=B0 colder than the minimum
overnight temp and 8=B0 colder than what's called for?
What I need is advice on what the HVAC people should be looking for
when they come out.
System info:
15 year old Trane gas furnace (don't have the model # at hand)
Rite-Temp 6036 flush-mount programmable thermostat
We had an AprilAire whole-house humidifier installed by a friend (HVAC
guy) last year, and he blew the motherboard on the furnace installing
it. We've since had two HVAC people out to service the furnace and fix
the motherboard problems.
We didn't have this heating problem last year=97the system worked just
fine.
Nothing has changed on the system since last year.
I hard-reset the thermostat and reprogrammed all the cycles, and it
still has the problem.
month, we began experiencing a problem in our house we didn't have
last year. The programmable thermostat will call for a temperature
increase, the furnace will run for a few-to-several minutes, the temp
in the house will increase by 1-2=B0 and then the heater will stop
without getting close to the target temp.
In the past the furnace has run for ~5 minutes and then shut down for
a cooling period while the exhaust fan still ran=97I'm assuming that's
to keep the burners from overheating=97and then fire back up to continue
to heat. But now the system just completely shuts down and doesn't
fire back up again for long periods of time, sometimes a couple hours.
Another symptom is that we have the thermostat set to 65=B0 at night and
to come up to 70=B0 at 6:45AM, but when we get up at 7AM the temperature
in the house has been 62=B0. Why would it be 3=B0 colder than the minimum
overnight temp and 8=B0 colder than what's called for?
What I need is advice on what the HVAC people should be looking for
when they come out.
System info:
15 year old Trane gas furnace (don't have the model # at hand)
Rite-Temp 6036 flush-mount programmable thermostat
We had an AprilAire whole-house humidifier installed by a friend (HVAC
guy) last year, and he blew the motherboard on the furnace installing
it. We've since had two HVAC people out to service the furnace and fix
the motherboard problems.
We didn't have this heating problem last year=97the system worked just
fine.
Nothing has changed on the system since last year.
I hard-reset the thermostat and reprogrammed all the cycles, and it
still has the problem.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Does the furnace have any LEDs that light up on the control board to
indicate error conditions? If so, I'd start there. Also, I'd
determine which two wires the thermostat closes to call for heat,
remove the thermostat, and temporarily test it by connecting the wires
directly together. If the furnace starts and continues to run
normally, then you know it's the thermostat. If not, you've
eliminated the thermostat as the problem.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Just tell them the same thing you wrote here.
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Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
That's the behavior of an overtemp safety device tripping somewhere.
They are not designed to be tripped continually so after a while they
trip easier and sometimes won't self reset.
Whenthe furnace is operating properly it will fire and run until the
thermostat stops calling for heat. You can confirm it is shutting
down prematurely by setting the thermostat at a very high point and
then watching the unit. If it starts up but then after a short period
turns off the burners and leaves the fan running then it's probably
the safety device.
There should be a schematic in the unit and you can identify the
safety devices. There may be more than one in series with the power
to the gas control. Best test is to check things with a meter.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
I sure DON'T. I watched the idiot contractor install my furnace.
Had to get them back several times to fix things.
Reroute the gas connection so it didn't pull the ceiling down
cause they were too lazy to use the right length pipe the first time.
Several trips to fix leaks in the vent piping dripping water in
the attic. Dripped water inside the unit and killed the igniter.
Electrical work failed inspection. Still got drips I need to fix myself.
Ditto for the insulation contractors. Guy was first day on the job
and ripped out the insulation that they had put in two days earlier.
They taped it up. Had to make 'em redo it so it wouldn't let moisture in.
There may be a competent guy
in the organization, but he didn't work on my systems.
Had windows installed. They ordered windows too bug and
BROKE the house frame trying to make 'em fit.
All in all, I'm extremely lucky I had some leverage thru an
intermediary. If it had been just me, I'd have been SOL.
Don't EVER hire anybody to do anything you can possibly do yourself.
If you must hire someone, learn how to do it before hand and
WATCH them every step.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Not yet; not 'til they have a proven track record. This is the third
different HVAC company we've called - the first one blew the
motherboard installing the whole-house humidifier and never completed
the job (they didn't get paid, natch). The second one was a guy who'd
been donating his time and work to Habitat For Humanity, but who
turned out to be unreliable.
This one has been personally recommended by a friend who's used the
company for years, but I still want to be reasonably not-stupid when
talking to the tech who comes.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
I don't want that to happen to me, so I've been keeping an eye on my
heat exchanger. First I listen to the furnace, to hear if the flames
make an even roar. Then I start it with the cover off to see if the
flames look even and blue in the tubes.
Corrosion in a heat exchanger results in holes. They can make the
flames jump around. I believe that's called rollout. A temperature
sensor is supposed to shut off the gas before the house catches fire
from flames going where they don't belong. As holes in the heat
exchanger get bigger from year to year, that sensor could shut the
furnace off sooner.
Another sensor shuts off the gas in case of overheating. If that's the
one causing the shutdown, maybe for some reason your blower isn't
carrying the heat away fast enough.
My control board has a red light. If I see it flashing, I count the
flashes and look at the decal on the door to see what's wrong.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Nope, and you're right: I neglected to mention that we had recently
changed the filter, and when the furnace comes on, air is moving out
of all vents well. Temperature is acceptable - neither cool nor too
hot - when air is moving. It's just getting the frelling furnace to
fire up that's the issue.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Of the 3 standing-pilot furnaces that I have first-hand experience with
in one way or another (with about 100 years of total service between
them) none has suffered a thermocouple problem.
What's that?
For me - not yet.
A cracked heat exchanger is no big deal. Most people don't realize that
because of the air-pressure differential between the combustion-side and
the air-handling side of the heat exchanger, that a crack means that air
will leak *into* (not from) the combustion side. Which means CO can't
really leak into the conditioned side of the system.
Now if only these modern furnaces should live long enough to suffer
exchanger corrosion...
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
What do you think the efficiency is of that 34 year old furnace that
you're so proud of? Yes
new furnaces are more complicated and from most reports don't last as
long. But saving
$200 a year in fuel costs could make for a reasonable paybackm even at
today's energy costs,
which are almost certainly going higher in the future. Plus, with
the current
tax credits for high efficiency furnaces, if it were me, I'd be
replacing that furnace right now. Of
course a lot depends on where you're located climate wise, in terms of
what the payback
would be.
Re: furnace not getting house up to temp: suggestions?
Because all you sheep are spending thousands on delicate new
computer-controlled furnaces with pathetically short life-spans, you're
using less natural gas, which is keeping the price of natural gas low,
so people like me with old furnaces can enjoy the benefit of low natural
gas prices because of all you suckers with expensive new furnaces.
So you'll save $200 a year for 15 years, which is just enough coin to
pay for the next furnace which you'll need to do by then.
No thanks.
I sleep just fine knowing that some sensor or controller or electronic
motor isin't going to die on me at 1:30 AM on the coldest sunday morning
of the year.
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