Electrical Problem

• posted on September 5, 2008, 1:56 pm

I have one circuit that has an open ground. The interesting thing is that it also has voltage between both the hot and the neutral to the ground, 70 volts from hot to ground and 50 volts from neutral to ground. The voltage from hot to neutral is 125 volts. There is nothing plugged into a ground, so the voltage bleed is not coming from anything plugged into the circuit. Any ideas?
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 2:23 pm
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:56:40 -0500, Michael Dobony

As you stated, you have an open ground. It's that simple. The voltages you are reading are due to the capacitive coupling to other nearby wires. I will guess the ground isn't interrupted near the socket you are measuring, but further away thereby giving the ground wire you are measuring a chance to run in parallel with other wires for a ways. If you were to put any kind of load across either the 70 or the 50 volts, the voltage would drop to near zero because it isn't really connected. Modern volt meters are designed to load the circuit very lightly because you might be measuring sensitive electronics. In this case, you would want a load to avoid the phantom readings you are seeing.
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 3:27 pm
greenpjs wrote:

Hi, Load as a small light Wattage bulb.
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 3:25 pm
Michael Dobony wrote:

Hi, Are you using a DVM, not something like Simpson 260?
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 6:27 pm
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:25:38 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

Analog
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 5:03 pm
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:56:40 -0500, Michael Dobony

If you truly had 125V from hot to neutral, what ever you were testing should be working.
Why are you testing for an open ground?
Find every outlet on that circuit by turning the power off and start opening all the boxes on that circuit.
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 6:30 pm
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:03:39 -0400, metspitzer wrote:

I found every circuit by using a circuit locator. This is in a trailer and the boxes are sealed, that is, the outlet IS the box clamped shut over the wire. Total pieces of junk.
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• posted on September 5, 2008, 7:00 pm
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:30:12 -0500, Mike Dobony

If only one receptacle shows open ground, the open could be in that box or the next one nearest the panel. It may not be in either box, but those two are good places to start.
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• posted on September 6, 2008, 1:56 pm
Fix the open ground, and don't get too worried about the trace phantom voltages. You can drive your self crazy trying to trace a milivolt here or there.
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Christopher A. Young