On Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:36:45 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
But in places where it gets down to 0F, it can typically stay well below
freezing not just overnight but for days at a time. Look at the temp history
for the last week in the US where it's been down to 0F. It hasn't
been just a brief, overnight event. Those locations have had temps
well below freezing for most of the time for many days in a row.
Here in NJ, we haven't hit 0 yet either, but we've had day after day where
the high has been 15 or 20F, with the low in the single digits.
And your point is what? That it makes sense to not winterize a
pool in places where it gets down to 0F and instead rely on
running a pump 24/7 for much of the winter? That the troll should
go out, take apart a pool pump and *try* to put in a ceramic seal when
it's 0F out so they can keep on trucking, instead of winterizing
the pool like everyone else in their area did long ago? Of course
if they fail in that effort, can't get the pump back together, etc,
then they are really screwed, because at 0F all that pool eqpt is
going to freeze pretty damn fast. One good storm that takes out
the electric for a number of hours and unless they have backup,
they are screwed.
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
Yeah, someplace in the mountains of GA perhaps. If I had a pool there, where
it's zero, I'd have it winterized too. What exactly is the point to keeping a pool going when you can't use it for months?
BS. Even here in NJ where everything is expensive, it's
$300 to close a pool. That is if you did it in Sept or Oct
when everyone did it like they do every year. If you call a pool
company now, IDK what they would charge. I sure wouldn't
do it for $300 now, for a lot of reasons. But if you called
up a pool company to come take your pump apart when it's
0F, they'd surely tell you that you're totally nuts. It hasn't
hit zero here yet and my pool has been totally frozen over
for days. Let's see. $300 to winterize it, or $150 a month
to run a pump, hoping that the power doesn't go out, the
pump doesn't break (doh, the one in quesiton is breaking), and
that running the pump is going to be sufficient to keep it
from freezing when it's 0F, having to keep an eye on it, etc
And the cost of failure? Could be $20K. You do the math
and make your choice. Around here I don't remember the last
time it got to 0F, but there isn't anyone dumb enough to not
winterize their pool.
I did. So, answer the question. Wherever it's been 0F 3 days ago,
it's still damn cold, and it's forecasted to be cold for days to come.
It's only the middle of winter. Is your point that it's a good
idea for someone who doesn't know how to put in a ceramic seal
to start taking apart a pool pump in that weather, instead of
winterizing it? Yes or no? Good grief.
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:16:33 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
Because Winterizing and opening a pool takes a lot of time and
expense. There is no reason to do it if the water won't freeze. It's
cheaper and easier to run the pump for a few months.
$300 is cheap? ...and that's assuming you have all of the parts to do
it. *THAT* is BS. It doesn't cost that much to run the filter for a
couple of hours a day.
Idiot. There is *NO* reason to do it in October or now, even if it
gets to 0F. Why spend the money at all? When I lived in NY, sure I
closed the pool every year. It took a day to close it and a long
weekend to open it in the Spring. It was NO FUN. There is no reason
to do it in the South because it doesn't get cold enough to bother.
It's *not* about the temperature, it's about whether it will freeze or
not. Even at 0F, 20K gallons of water doesn't freeze instantly.
Idiot. It has nothing to do with whether one knows how to repair a
pump. IT'S NOT GOING TO FREEZE here. It's *NOT* just S. Florida that
need not worry about damage. Jeez. Read, for once!
On Sunday, January 26, 2014 7:49:11 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
BS. It doesn't take a lot of time, nor is it expensive.
As far as expense, what's the expense of running a pool
pump all winter when it's below freezing someplace
where it hits 0F?
You're in way over your head here and obviously have no experience.
The $300 is the price for calling a pool company up and having *them*
close the pool for you. Parts? What parts? If you DIY, it can be as
little as 0$ if you want to skip the chemical kit that costs $45, which is optional. If $300 is expensive to you, then you shouldn't have a pool or learn
to do it yourself.
Yeah, and it's fun to monitor the pump and make sure it's running in 0F weather, right? Pump goes off for just a few hours when it's 0f and
you're screwed, big time. It could go off and you wouldn't even know
it. You could have a $10K, $20K disaster.
And if it takes you a day to close a pool, well that says a lot.
DIY takes a couple hours, that's how long it takes me to do
a 48K gallon pool. Pros, for $300 do it in less time than
that. So, clearly you don't know what you're doing and are too
cheap to pay someone who does.
There is no reason
BS. The winter temperatures in the south aren't on average
signicantly higher in winter? Good grief.
I didn't say it was going to freeze where you are. Is that
where the question about the failing pump seal came from?
The question came from somewhere where it's 0F, not Florida.
Read for once.
I said any place where it can hit 0F in winter, normal people
winterize their pool. Why the hell did you do it when you lived
in the NYC area? That 0F possible temp once in a while is about
as cold as it gets there. So, when you were doing it, then it
was peachy keen. And I'm the idiot?
Let's see, free to $300, versus keeping a pump running for much
of the winter. How much is that going to cost in electric? You
say it takes time to close a pool? Yeah, about two hours. Pros,
using 2 guys for the $300 do it even faster. It takes you a day,
and you thought $300 was what it costs to DIY, so obviously you're
lying and unqualified to even comment.
So, a couple hours in Sept,
versus how many hours keeping an eye on the pool all winter when
it's below freezing? What happens when the power goes out?
What happens when the pump fails and it's 0F and 9PM? The pump
in question, if it really exists, *is* apparently failing.
What happens when the pump stops running and you don't even
know it? You go away for a week on vacation, then what? Hire
a pool sitter? That's why normal people close pools in environments
where it can get down to 0F. I've never seen a single pool open
here in coastal NJ that wasn't winterized in all my life. And
temps of 0F during very cold snaps every decade or so is what
we have here.
Oh and it does very much have to do with knowing how to repair
a pool pump. Because if the pump fails at 8PM at night when it's
0F, you better be able to deal with it because the clock is
ticking..... In a few hours, you better either have it fixed
or winterized. If it takes you a day to winterize a pool in
Sept, how long is it going to take you to fix a pump, or winterize
it, at night when it's 0F out? And I'm the idiot? Good
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 06:13:22 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
Idiot. If the pool isn't frozen, the pump won't be either. The pools
never freeze, ergo...
You always revert to the same lie. You're simply wrong. All the way
The cover. The bags (or whatever is used to hold the cover down. All
the stuff that goes into closing a pool. They don't own that stuff
here. It's not needed.
If you do it yourself, it's a day closing and a long weekend opening
the pool. Time isn't free. BTDT, no matter that you lie.
Goal post movement. The *FACT* is that it's not done here. There is
simply no reason. The pools don't freeze so it's wasted
It certainly did. By myself.
You're lying again, but that's your MO.
Of course the Winter temperatures in the South aren't on average
significantly higher in the Winter. Whatever that means.
Learn some grammar, and composition. Good grief, indeed!
Bullshit. You don't even know what you're saying, much less what you
Idiot. I'm not the one arguing that just because it gets down to 0F
for a nanosecond, one needs to close a pool.
Yes, you did say pools need to be closed, except for perhaps places in
Florida. You're wrong, of course.
Again, just because it hits 0F once a season (or decade) is no reason
to Winterize a pool. The question is whether it's going to freeze
(and how hard).
So now you're even giving up on the 0F thing. It's cheaper to run the
pump here, dummy. That's exactly what people do.
I have never said anything about what you do "there". I'm telling you
that it's rare (never seen it) to see a pool closed in the South. It's
simply not needed. You keep arguing that it is. You know better than
the pool owners what they need, evidently. That's Malformed-level
Bullshit. The chances of a failure at that point are nil. If by
chance it does, no big deal. Open the system and let it drain back
into the pool. It's not going to freeze anyway.
On Monday, January 27, 2014 7:49:19 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
What? Are you now saying you don't have to run the pump
in the winter when it's below freezing to keep the system
from freezing? Of course you have to. So, again, what's the
cost of that going to be for a whole winter in places where it
gets down to 0F?
Running the filter for a couple hours a day when it's 0F, isn't going
to keep the system from freezing.
Of course you don't own it where you are. It's also not 0F where
you are. People here in places where it does get down to 0f
usually have covers. And new pools haven't used bags to hold covers
for years. There are better solutions, but since you don't live
in such a climate, you wouldn't know. And further, if you want to
skip the pool cover, you can. It's not essential.
If it takes you a whole day, then clearly you don't know what
you're doing. I've watched pros close many pools and
they have it done in under two hours. They'd be out of business
if they charged $300 and it took a day. And that $300 is here in
NJ, I'll bet it's done for less elsewhere.
Perhaps others who have had pool services close their pools
would like to share their experiences.
Idiot. One more time. I never said it was done where you live.
Is it 0f where you live? The question asked was about a pool
where it was 0F.
It's not the pool that is of concern. It's the pool EQUIPMENT.
And again, stop trying to change the discussion to where you live.
You even said you closed your pool when you lived in the NY area.
That's an example of where it's been down close to 0F. So,
why did you do it if it's not needed? Why did all your neighbors?
Because you obviously don't know what you're doing and guys
like you are just too obstinate to learn. Go watch some
youtube videos of pros showing how to do it. They do it in a few hours
for $300. What's the cost of that electric bill again?
What's the cost of monitoring the system all winter, worrying
what happens if the pump breaks, the power goes out? Go
away for a week, then what? Hire a pool sitter?
Go take a look at any of the many youtube videos that show
how to winterize a pool. Nothing there that should take more
than a few hours. Watch and learn.
Have you gone totally stupid? The average winter temperatures in FL aren't
higher than in Boston?
Learn how to winterize a pool.
It's all there for everyone to read, as usual. I said anywhere
winter temps get down to 0F, people winterize their pools. I
never said a damn thing about winterizing a pool where you are
or in South Florida, though you desperately want to lie. In some
of my earliest posts I clealy stated that people do keep pools
open year round in warmer climates, where it only drops below
You must be living on another planet. In this world, when it gets
down to 0F, the conditions for pool equipment to freeze and bust
doesn't exist for a nanosecond. In those climates, the possibility
exists for much of the winter. Again, it hasn't gotten to 0F
here yet. But it has been in the single digits, teens day after
day. You watch TV at all? And every single pool that I know of
has been winterized long ago.
I never said that, you're lying. I said that in places where it
gets down to 0F, you winterize a pool.
What a dope. Like it just hits 0F for one minute, the rest of
the time it's 45F. In my world, places where it hits 0f once a
season or even once a decade, it's below freezing enough of
the time that people winterize pools. Of course that's exactly
what you did when you lived in NY, but now you want to argue
about it and lie.
Stop lying. I never said you should close your pool in TX.
You wouldn't even know what's cheaper, because you claim you
can't close a pool for $300.
And I never said otherwise idiot.
I know enough about pools that I can close one in a few hours,
unlike you, who claims it takes all day. Watch those youtube
videos and learn.
Why are the chances of a pool pump failing when it's 0F nil?
Why are the chances of a power outage in a winter storm nil?
Which shows that you don't understand pool systems at all.
You can't just open the system and let it drain. That isn't how
pool systems are winterized. For example, go look at a manual for
a typical pool heater and see what it says about the steps necessary to
keep it from freezing and bursting. Clue: It involves blowing
it out with air. Where is the air coming from when it's 0f
out and you have no electric power, genius?
And if it's so easy to do at 0F, why exactly is it that it took
you all day to do it when it was Sept and 65F?
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:44:01 +0000, B Thomas wrote:
BTW, I grease my pump shafts when installing new bearings,
but other than that, I don't "oil" a pump motor (and I have
lots and lots of them at my place).
You probably "could" silence whining bearings with oil,
but, bearings cost less than a quart of motor oil does,
so, why would you bother?
And, seals wouldn't make noise. They'd just leak.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:00:42 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
... but not for long and why would you tear it down far enough to get
oil in it and not replace the bearing?
They pretty much all use a 6203 and there are 3 or 4 different seals
that would cover almost all of them.
Online is the way to go when buying these kinds of parts unless you
are close to a real bearing store.
The last time I ordered I got 10 bearings online for what 2 would have
cost at a store, (I ended up getting 20)
They also what they use in the aerators at the country club my wife
manages. I end up fixing lots of motors.
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