As an electrician, I've been through this numerous times over the years. It
clearly depend on who you are talking to, and what trade they're in. IMO,
the "normal" position is the state the switch is in when nothing affects it.
Alarm people have the opposite take on it. My solution is to always buy
devices that come in the "form C" which is both open and closed circuits,
this way you can't go wrong
Yeah, then you can put one wire on the "common" and flip a coin. :)
Wire it NO and if the light goes off when it should come on then wire
My best guess is that you should wire it NO and the magnet will close
Well, I'm not guessing at what "normally open" or "Normally closed"
mean on rees switches or momentary contact switches of any type., so
it's possible we do dissagree.
A "normally closed" switch conducts electricity in it'e un-activated
A reed switch proximity switch is unactivated when there is no magnet
In all the following the contacts are closed with the magnet next to the
From an alarm perspective *NC* ("normal" is when the door is closed):
"Most switching devices are N.C. (normally closed) circuits, so when the
device is not in an alarm condition, the circuit is closed."
"Output signal: normally closed (switch contact is closed when the door
From a component manufacturer *NO*
C&K: "ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT: SPST NO (Contact Form A). Reed switch
opens when magnet is removed from proximity. Contacts are
held closed when magnet is within actuation range."
To know what the switch does you need to have a description like all of
For the magnetic switches I looked at from alarm companies, none said NO
or NC. A few said NC loop. They were probably all "NC" from an alarm
perspective. Except a few were Form C.
Not quite right. An alarm SYSTEM being normally closed requires
normally open SWITCHES. This is a series string system, where when one
- any one - switch opens, the "normally closed" loop is open and the
alarm sounds. The SWITCHES are normally open, and closed when the
magnet activates the switch.
A Normally OPEN system is a parallel string circuit - where the
normally CLOSED switches are activated when the doores are closed and
the magnet is close - and ANY ONE switch being CLOSED activates the
The techs (if they know what they are doing and talking about) KNOW
On Apr 30, 9:02 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I think Bud and RBM who are both electricians have this one right.
There is no consistency on this. At the very least, I can show you
an alarm switch I quickly found that clearly calls switches that are
CLOSED when the magnet is next to them NORMALLY CLOSED SWITCHES. You
can pull up the PDF "manual" as well and it is consistent with that
terminology. It didn't take long to find this, it was the first place
I looked after googling alarm switch.
I think Buds statement that you have to carefully read the full
description to figure it out is spot on. And even then, in some
descriptions you may not be able to tell because they really don't
say. In this one, it is very clear:
"Surface Mount Magnetic Contact Switch, Normally Closed (10-Pack
The most basic sensors of any alarm system are the door and window
Surface Mount Magnetic Contact Switches. There are 10 pairs of
switches included in this kit allowing you to monitor multiple areas
around your home. This type of contact switch is for normally closed
circuits; this means that the when the magnets are lined up, the
switch is closed."
Note that they call the circuit normally closed and also call the
switch for that circuit normally closed.
It all gets back to what your definition of "normal" is. If it means
the condition with no outside signal or magnet on it, which is
reasonable and how we approach relays then I agree with your
interpretation. But I also see how what RBM said is true. That in
the alarm industry, which BTW is an obvious big user of these devices,
they call a switch "normal" if the window is shut and the magnet is
next to it. It becomes not-normal when the window is moved away and
it trips the alarm.
On Sat, 1 May 2010 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT), email@example.com wrote:
No, they do not call the switch a "normally closed" switch. They say
when the magnets are lined up they are normally closed.
The definition of a "normally open" switch meets that spec.
You DO have to read carefully what they are saying - and you have to
understand what is really going on.
On May 1, 10:53 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yeah YOU sure do need to read carefully what they are saying. And you
obviously didn't. Because if your read the description in the link I
provided, they CLEARLY call that switch normally closed. It's right
in the freaking one line TITLE:
"Surface Mount Magnetic Contact Switch, Normally Closed (10-Pack)"
Here's another link to a switch supplier that discusses the issue and
"For unknown reasons, there are some companies classifying their
magnetic switches against the grain. Their NC switches turn things OFF
when the two halves are apart, while NO does the opposite. This is why
even some salespersons are confused as well. Therefore, before
purchasing any magnetic switches, read the product descriptions
The OP can make up his own mind. Listen to two electricians and a
switch company that says confusion does exist and the only way to know
is to carefully read the description, if it's even contained in the
description. Or you, who says the terms are only used one way.
Clearly in the case I just showed you, if you went by the one line
title of the switch, you'd be getting the opposite of what you
expect. And in most cases, that one line is about all they say about
the switch, ie there is no further explanation.
On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:56:37 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
From the site referenced :
Surface Mounted Normally Open Magnetic Reed Switch
Philmore # 30-17050
Use this switch if you'd like to turn something OFF when the two
halves of your switch are apart. Commonly used with security systems.
Action: Closed Loop / Normally Open (when magnet is beyond the
Maximum Gap (actuation range): 1-1/4" Max
Mounting Hole Centers: 2-3/32"
Terminal Type: Screw
Current Rating: 0.5A @ 100VDC
There is NOTHING contrary in this description. With the magnet beyond
actuation range, the NO switch is turned off - exactly as it should
Radio Shack's is normally closed when contacts are apart (poor
description - but basically when magnet is beyond actuation range)
Digi-Key gives no description other than "normally closed"
You use a reed switch, with TWO magnets. When the door is down, place
the two magnets so they oppose each other, the reed switch will stay
open if you position the magnets correctly. one magnet on the door,
one on the frame next to the reed relay/switch. When the door goes
up, the one magnet will move away from the reed relay/switch and the
remaining magnet will close the switch and turn on your alarm/light
bulb/whatever. This is high-school 9th grade stuff, not rocket
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