RoundUp and Monkey grass

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I have thoroughly sprayed RoundUp onto monkey grass that is growing out-of-bounds. I have already sprayed it 6-7 times in the past 2 weeks, yet it is still green. The last 3 times I mixed the RoundUp triple strength, still no result. It is a new bottle of RoundUp. Is there something about RoundUp and Monkey Grass I don't understand? How can Monkey grass be controlled? I want to plant fescue grass (this week) after it dies out. When I try to pull it out, it just breaks off.
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So, the suggested dilution is not good enough for use triple the dose? I see. I wonder how many people do this rather irresponsible thing with glysophate. Did you thoroughly read the label for what it won't kill? I have no information for you. Read the label.
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wrote:

I want to amplify jangchub's post. READ THE LABEL.
Using any pesticide in a manner that does not comply with the label instructions is wasteful, harmful and illegal.
Geez.
John
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:59:26 -0400, John Bachman

John, we are not talking about pesticides. I read the label. After an online search I found reports from other gardeners who used RoundUp on Monkey Grass with success. The mixed product does "wet" the leaves so I don't believe I need a surfactant (or soapy spray). My specific issue is that it is growing out-of-bounds and need to contain it within an area. It is also starting to grow in areas of the lawn which I do not want. Mowing does not seem to affect it at all. It propagates using runners. If that is not possible, I may need to remove all of it before it damages the house foundation or concrete areas. Any suggestions for herbicides that work for this plant?
Another issue is proper identification of "monkey grass." I found
Liriope spicata Liriope muscari
Thanks
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Any herbicide, insecticide or miticide is considered to be a pesticide. Do your research. Glysophate is a pesticide, like it or not. If you read the label, I am sure it didn't say to triple the does if the dilution rate fails.
Liriope will not damage house foundation or concrete.
I have a suggestion; just take a sharp spade and chop it out, making a furrow between the lawn and the concrete it will damage (?) and sit on the ground and pull it out. Also, if you'd have read the label on the bottle, you will see how long it can take to kill a plant with glyphosate. It is not always over night. They do have several different types, one of which can take over a week to kill a plant it's used on.
Go read the label again.
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wrote:

Besides, if we use the word "chemical", some moron always stumbles into the discussion and says "Everything's a chemical. Salt's a chemical blah blah blah...."
We need a generic word for these pest/weed control products. One that everyone understands, but doesn't activate the morons.
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:03:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"

The other greatly misunderstood word is "organic." Whether or not something is used in a certified organic way, it is still a poison, a pesticide. It can still kill us and children and pets and wildlife.
All this fussing is something I used to do. I don't do it any more. I don't use pesticides, synthetic-chemical-organic-natural or otherwise. My garden struck a balance after two years or so and now I have a balance of insects and critters which do the natural thing...so on.
The real trick with terms is to completely ignore people who don't get it. It's never going to change, and wasted energy is a shame.
My neighbor had some worms on her shrubs. The idiot "agronomist" next door to her filled her pump up sprayer with Sevin. She sprayed her shrubs to dripping, not wearing anything to cover her legs or arms and it systemically went into her system, almost burning her flesh off her body.
After being breast cancer free for 9 years, she became sick and now has stage 4, metastasized tumors in her sternum, breast tissue and lungs. I hope she endures and lives forever, but really all she needed at a bit of Bt-K. Oh well.
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Their parents are to blame for raising idiots. If I say "chemicals" to my son, he knows I'm not talking about wine vinegar. It's all about context.
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:40:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"

I will stick with pesticide as it is not only an accurate description but also indicates the types of "chemicals" we are discussing.
The morons are right, everything is chemical. The morons are also easily prodded into moronic action so I just ignore them and try to keep my postings as accurate as possible. Occasionally, I may even be a little helpful to someone, even a moron.
John
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:40:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"

Of course. You're a five percenter.
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wrote:

And there is the "generic"word......."skull and crossbones".......POISON.

Amazing isn't it? I saw that this year and expect greater benefits next. It keeps getting more simple all the time.

I agree and am following your lead on this. But once in a while, grabbing an oil soaked clu-by-four and wailing away has a satisfying feeling. ;-)

Kinda like my stupit brother in law who advised me to use malathion on my garden to kill the damned cabbage loopers that i still have trouble with. Hell, it won't hurt you, he says. His garden is saturated with that shit and his granddaughter eats from it.......what do you do......the arguments go nowhere, so I gave up with him.

I would say Darwinism in action, but the fools are taking us down with them.
Care Charlie
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Charlie wrote:

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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let's just grab a word out of the air....how about herbicide
Lar
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I like it. But, you'd better copyright that word. :-)
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I agree with jangclub, but I'll add two things:
-If you'd done research, you would've discovered that sprays usually don't work on that plant.
-You should drink the remainder of your Roundup, and the monkey grass will cease to be a problem.
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Me three.

Wow, that's discoverable with just a bit of googling....

You are so bad ;->
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Well, remember the campaign where Monsanto said Round Up was safe as table salt? If I recall, that started world war trillion on rec.gardens! Remember?
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expounded:

It certainly activated some of the "salt's also a chemical" idiots, whose minds have been permanently implanted with Monsanto's desired message.
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Jangchub wrote:

I think it was "less toxic" than table salt, which it is for what it's worth. Even glyphosate itself has a higher LD50. Doubt the OP could actually do himself in by downing the rest of the typical quart sized bottle the ready mixed Round up comes in.
Lar
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Back in the daze of John Riley - of course I do <BSEG>
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