I have a few of their trees and they do very well here in my part
of the Midwest(zone 5, Chicago area)
Make sure you have the proper pollinators for the apple and cherry.
I don't think buying locally in your case has given much of an
advantage. California also has varying climate zones, so I think
the soil they were grown in would be a bigger factor.
Anyone interested in finding a good nursery should check references
from Nafex (North American Fruit Explorers) or Midfex (Midwest
Fruit Explorer, www.midfex.org) where you find recommended vendors.
box stores are less than usefel.
In Menards today, the clerk told me that most peach trees need another
polinator, whereas apples are mostly self fertile. She got things
She also mentioned that apples could be pollinated by pears, plums,
etc. She better go back to fruit trees 101 before she gives out
false information like that.
How does time come into play... same time to plant stock from one
nursery or another... and of course money comes into play, who do you
think you're fooling, that's the main reason for buying anything from
big box stores, it costs less. And what surprise?!?!?
You had best know what you're doing before buying nursery stock
anywhere... there is no chance that the staff at any retail nursery is
more useful than at another unless one has had personal experience
with a particular staff member's expertise... except that in my
experience I've found the staff at the big box store nurseries to be
far more accomodating with schlepping and loading. I don't
necessarily rely on retail nursery worker's plant expertise, that's my
responsibility to learn prior to shopping.
Why would a clerk come out of nowhere with that kind of information,
and if you already know the answers to your questions that makes you
grossly disingenuous. Your story is not believeable, it sounds like
something made up by someone with a grudge against the big box
emporiums. Plants would be labeled with planting instructions and
typically fruit tree tags list pollinating requirements. Someone with
a degree in horticulture wouldn't be schlepping plants around any
retail nursery. Anyone considering growing fruit should educate
themselves about what to plant and how before ever visiting any plant
nursery. Folks don't go to Lowes to learn horticulture anymore than
they do to learn heating and cooling... occasionally one will by pure
accident encounter an employee with expert knowlege but at the wages
paid at any retail nursery I'd not count on it... one can learn all
they need to know about fruit trees on the net. Folks shop at big box
stores to save money regardless what they buy, they should have
already armed themselves with the knowlege required for what to
choose. If one is too lazy to do research on their own they can
always go to the dedicated plant nurseries where they'll pay twice as
much and still will be just as likely to receive incorrect
information, probably more likely, becaue places that charge more are
more likely to not admit not knowing so would dispense BS instead. In
my experience the help at the big box nurseries have no more
horticultural knowlege than what anyone can read on the plant tag,
anytime I've asked a more technical question they've said I don't
know... can't get more honest. Retail plant nurseries pay little more
than minimum wage... no education is required to schlepp plants, bales
of planting medium, and watering hoses about. However the nursery
stock at either is exactly the same, comes from the same local
wholesalers/growers. Also the big box stores don't hassle folks about
returns whereas the independant nurseries typically institute all
sorts of escape clauses for not replacing plants or returning full
purchase price. Another point to consider is that the typical
independant retail nursery buys all their stock in one fell swoop in
order to take advantage of bulk discounts... that same stock sits in
what is virtually a parking lot the entire season hoping for a buyer,
it gets sun, it hopefully gets watered regularly, it gets knocked
about by folks looking, and the nicest specimens are sold right away
and not replaced... what's left doesn't go into the ground until
someone buys and plants it. Whereas the big box stores are gigantic
accounts, they get freshly dug shipments weekly, even daily. It's
pretty silly not to shop the big box nurseries first, especially for
newbies like the OP who really have no business purchasing the more
costly less common plants until they gain some experience, at least
enough experience not to need to ask the nursery help about
There is lots of info available about fruit trees but it's best to
research ones own area.
We were discussing various topics about prices of trees at different
stores. She volunteered the information about pollination
requirements. I merely corrected her.
You are an idiot.
Your story is not believeable, it sounds like
Oh sure. I'm on a real vendetta against big box sellers.
Again, you are a big idiot.
Plants would be labeled with planting instructions and
What planet are you on?
I shop at big box stores for items I think are a good value. Fruit
trees are something I think people should be aware of the possibility
of getting something they didn't expect.
they should have
Much less likely since nursery people are dedicated to that business
and they don't hire temporary workers, as a general rule.
, probably more likely, becaue places that charge more are
I don't shop at local nurseries for plants I can buy on the web for
much less money. The nursery people are not experts, but they
know a lot more than the big box people.
However the nursery
Strange, I recall you toting the advantage of buying big trees from
your local nursery. Sounds like you have some problems with one
Another point to consider is that the typical
I did not ask for help on pollination, but tried to correct some
statements made by a big box clerk. I think the care issues you
mentioned apply equally to nurseries and big box. I have seen
tree stock from big box stores that looked pretty sad and eventually
was put on sale at the end of the season, to clear it out.
You talk like there are only two sources of fruit trees. Local
nurseries and big box stores. I think the best choice is a
reliable out of town nursery. The selection is way bigger
when you deal with the whole country. I find for reliable tagging,
that can only be found at specific nurseries where they
grow their own trees from scratch. The better nurseries can tell
you exactly what rootstocks you are getting, not some ambiguous
label like semi-dwarf. Sure, you can get a better deal at a big
box store, but you can never be sure about what you are buying.
Most of the nurseries in my area (Chicago) are way too expensive.
I buy whips or benchmark trees that arrive in great shape and
adopt nicely to my backyard.
What you don't know or are misinformed about retail nurseries is
Many retail nurseries and garden centers pride themselves on having
well-educated and highly trained personnel on staff. In fact, many
state nursery and landscape professional associations offer
professional certfication programs that require knowledge and training
equivalent to a 2 year hort degree that a great many retail garden
centers and nurseries take advantage of. I actually teach classes for
this certfication program in my area. We graduate several dozen CPH's
(Certified Professional Horticulturists) each session, the bulk of
which are nursery employees. And minimum wages are paid only to
seasonal part time staff, those who do the unloading of trucks,
schlepping of plants to cars and hauling sacks of soil amendments. We
don't even let these folks - generally high school or college students
looking for a summer job - water plants, as that takes knowledge and a
skill level these guys don't have.
Having been in both the retail and wholesale nursery industry for many
years, I think I can speak to the buying habits of retail nurseries,
at least the ones here on the west coast..... I was a buyer for a
number of years. They DO NOT bring in all their stock at once. Weekly
delivers from various vendors occur throughout the season but some
plant offerings - like many fruit trees - tend to be very seasonal and
the bulk are brought in very early in the season, often when dormant.
As they are sold off, they are replaced with fresh stock, if that
stock is still available. And the care plants receive at retail
nurseries far exceeds what is provided at any box store - unless you
purchase something at a box that is within days of its arrival, it is
very likley to be drought stressed or otherwise neglected. And they do
not necessarily offer the same stock from the same vendors - many of
the largest wholesale vendors offer grades of product: premium grades
go to the plant retailers/nurseries; lesser grades to the discounters
and box stores. And some vendors simply do not sell to any discounters
or box stores, period.
btw, I am a degreed horticulturist as well as professionally
certified. I have worked in the nursery industry consistently for
nearly 20 years but as a second and much more rewarding and satisfying
career. I started out at quite a bit more than minimum wage and make
as much now as I did when I left my corporate banking career. It's not
a huge salary but it is faaaar more than minimum wage.
If you want to see how truly misinformed Sheldumb is to visit rfc. A more
obnoxious, louder-braying, north-end-of-a-southbound-mule there isn't.
Shelly will happily piss himself just to prove his nonexistent points of
view. It's best to simply filter/kf his posts, unless you like banging your
head against the wall. His favorite reply to an informed post of the quality
you provided is to pull some ad hominen starting with your sexual tastes,
mixing in some ethnic slurs, and finally closing with an exploit or two
about his alternative lifestyle.
Obviously, the sales people I encounter in my area big box stores
have not taken your classes.
The fruit tree stock may be fresh, but it is often misslabled. When
I checked on a misslabled tree recently, I discovered it had gone
through at least three sources from initial grower to distributor to
the final seller. It was impossible to trace the variety.
They are *OK*. Yes, Fall is the best time to plant trees, but if you
are in zone 5 or north, it is getting kind of late to be planting trees
- October was best.
You might be better off looking for a real, full time nursery. You
might be able to find a tree that has a larger trunk, and one that will
get established and start bearing fruit much faster.
In the San Francisco Bay Area, fall is not the best time to plant
stone fruit trees. Winter is the best time because you can purchase
bare root stock which is much cheaper than a balled root tree, and
will establish itself better.
We don't have snow and frozen ground. Life is a little different than
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