If one does not increase taxes on the wealthy, the greater the disparity of the rich and poor. The rich will continue to squeeze the middle class to get richer.
What if, Songbird, in the future, that ten percent of the worlds population can provide for one hundred percent of all goods and services for everyone on this planet through automation and mass markets. What kind of economic system would you have? It will not be capitalism!
The world is producing twice as many cars with half of as many people ten years ago. This trend is coming across all manufacturing/service areas. Without an equal distribution of wealth, this world will have misery the likes of no one has ever seen.
Population reduction is a must, this can be done with civil planning or be done with mass starvation and disease from the result of poverty.
Very interesting, songbird looks back, and Nad looks forward. Oh, the things that I should have to hear. Is there no respect for age?
Weeeelll, the long and the short of it, at the end of the day, is that you're right. America spent vast amounts of money to prosecute the war, and it put people to back to work. WWII pulled us out of the depression. I think the US did about 50% of the shipping in 1950, and the US was uniquely the sole, modern, industrial nation on the planet that hadn't suffered from WWII, and around 25 years after WWII they recovered. This is the time of the one income household, which these days seems pretty much a dream. Did it really happen? Before the dream there was bone aching poverty, hunger, and encampments. This is the place were the people who push Laffer's curve would return us to. Yet it has NEVER worked. But if businesses could put up with 90% taxes in 1950, I think that they could put-up with a tax rate of 40% today, or close loopholes that let them not pay taxes on money made overseas, or shift taxes from the U.S. to other countries. That is what I was going to say next ;O)
This is quite a group of people that we have to deal with. We get tricked with sonar echos, incubators, weapons of mass destruction. Why? Maybe it has to do with 5 corporations owning 90% of the American media. Ge is a perfect example. They make money from the wars, and then tell us how the war is going.
The Republicans aren't the only politicians to sell out, but can you remember back when a Republican administration passed the "Clean Water AAct", the "Clean Air Act", and created the E.P.A.? These are different people. Now the corporations are neo-liberal and they say get out of the way and let the free market work. No need to regulate the markets, they will regulate themselves. Yada, yada, yada. Greenspan was surpised by the Wall Street melt down after the Glas-Steagul Act was rescinded. He was surprised but you and I are each stuck with a $35,000 tab, and bankers on Wall Street are giving themselves bonuses. The politicians support this usurpation of America, because they are given campaign donations, if they are nice.
Jobs didn't have to go over seas. Look at Germany. Worlds 4th largest economy, #1 in exporting. They manufacture good products at a good price for a good wage with strong unions, health care, 4 weeks vacation, and retirement. Why are these new guys dismantling the U.S. economy and shipping it overseas? MONEY. They steal from us. They steal from the past. They steal from the future.
only if the middle class and poor continue to buy their products.
it's not capitalism now (it's a mix of capitalism and socialism). it really hasn't ever been pure capitalism and it won't ever be pure capitalism (because people can voluntarily form socialistic organisations and then distribute their wealth in any way they choose within a capitalistic system -- and they always have).
ok, what if? then you have 90% of the population texting and playing social website games and living off solar energy and organic farmed produce picked by robots. i doubt many of them will even notice the shift because much of it has already happened (the change from production being about things to production being about service jobs and jobs that involve entertainment and other forms of intangibles (like art, food and derivatives).
i'm thinking it's already got it but not many people actually are acknowledging it. in other words, looking around at the amount of violence, substance abuse, vandalism, environmental destruction, obesity, etc.
it's supposedly coming about by educating women and getting them into the workforce. i'm not sure that alone it will be enough.
i think it likely we'll have some more epidemics of some kind. population density continues to increase as people move to the cities. more people are raising chickens and pigs in close proximity again. these sorts of trends are asking for trouble. on top of the likelyhood of food shortages, riots, wars, water shortages, etc. it's going to be an interesting period of time coming up.
It is interesting, one looks to learn from past mistakes and one looks forward to see the what if. Both views have it's flaws, the past could be going from the pan into the fire and future is hard to predict.
However, Respect has to be earned in my book. So, for me there is no respect for age. Different people have different views on this subject. I respect those: that are independent, create knew knowledge and helps others. I do not respect those that get rich of the misery of others.
[snip] yes the short of it.
Laffer's curve, as you say is another tool by the rich to scam others to GIVE the rich more money.
Yes, more scams by the wealthiest of the INTERNATIONAL corporations. Not just America. Rich getting Richer, perhaps in the future 7 corps owning 99 percent.
Richard Nixon, my favorite president. Shortly before I turned eighteen years old he lowered the age of adulthood to eighteen. On my eighteenth birthday my friends took me to the strip clubs and got drunk and I had great time. Shortly after I turned twenty one, they raised the age of adulthood back to twenty one. Why I liked Nixon, he has a special place in having an effect on my moral views :)
Capitalism and Socialism are two economic systems that are failing. The two systems may merge or something new will come out of the failing systems. Not sure what will happen, but I see turmoil until a new economic system takes effect.
I wonder why others cannot see this as well. Perhaps why the rich are against educating the masses. It works for them.
No need for me to read it, I agree with the title.
Cool, you seemed to agree with me. Socialism has it problems as well as Capitalism. I see evolution still taking place. First tribes, then city states, then nations, merging states and nations. The next step will be more merging nations. However in the end their will eventually be a one world government. Between these times will be turmoil.
Right now I see a merging middle eastern nations forging ahead, for better or worse time will tell.
i think the older generation should be lined up and spanked for their recklessness with finances and their lack of wisdom in how they've taught their children to disrespect themselves (chronic debt/overspending, obesity, drug abuse being sure signs of the lack of self control).
it did happen, but it is not sustainable if the entire world takes on this kind of economy.
the dream was in fact a nightmare in disguise because it gave the rest of the world the idea that they could live like pigs and it wouldn't destroy their environment or their health and that they'd be happy.
from what i can tell there will always be poverty (the definition changes) and the chance of starvation, misery, disease, tragedy, etc.
no one is immune from natural forces or the force of massed idiocy (war, riots, bad government).
all these elders are from the sixties generation... what happened to free love and hippy ideals? sharing the wealth?
and i sure hope continue to enforce these sorts of laws efficiently. without clean air and water we're in deep doodoo. and not the good kind of doodoo we can use as garden fertilizer...
that is a joke, but in the age of the information society it's possible to organize boycotts and get information out for much less than the cost of a burger and fries (soy burger and organic potatoes sprinkled with sea salt).
where is the $35,000 figure coming from? the bailout money is mostly repaid is it not?
the bailout worked in preventing a meltdown in Michigan even worse than what did happen, but the base fuel to the whole shebang was greed and it was the greed of the person who took out home equity loans, bought toys, spent it all, ran up debt on their houses, bought huge houses that they could never sustain if they lost their jobs, etc. in other words the bankers were not the sole villains in this. anyone who paints them thus is showing their ignorance and bias. avoiding taking responsibility for their own role in the fiasco.
buy USoAian from companies that manufacture in the USoA. this is a choice and the more people who bitch about jobs going overseas who don't actually do research and put their money where their mouth is are hypocrites. yes, strong language, but as far as i'm concerned it's this sort of person who will blame everyone else for their own created troubles.
it never has been, it never will be.
capitalism is not a moral system, it is more like a natural force. the moral aspects of the economy must come from the choices that individuals make in how they get and spend their capital.
if you want to force a moral economic system upon others, then you are attempting to force a religion upon them too.
if by threat of prison you force the wealthy to support the poor then you are enslaving them. i have no respect for slaveholders nor do i wish to be a part of any system that encourages such evil.
the civil war determined that slavery was to be ended.
now it seems that we forget life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and other basic ideas about freedom and want others to be responsible for us (no matter our own erroneous ways).
i myself would love that all people feel responsible enough to fully take care of every fellow citizen no matter what their needs might be. i would however consider it unjust and immoral to tax anyone one penny above a level and fair amount. let those who want to fund socialistic things band together and do it. quite possible, legal, ethical, highly laudable and very noble. that is the sort of thing that a free people can do that doesn't degrade themselves or enslave others.
I am not convinced yet that Capitalism and Socialism can coexist. I think something new is needed, less complex. Just like the link you provided, it shows me the current economic and political systems are failing. A system of complex patch work of thousands of little tiny rules are needed to keep these systems going. I do not realistically believe their are enough people to enforce all those rules and regulation to keep such a system going. The greed and hunger for power is like an economic tsunami caused by obsolete economic systems.
Hard times ahead until a better system is in place. Of which I am not sure. Only theories. Perhaps a everyone get a specific monthly dole.
Not in the US. More and More people are moving to the country. Carving up the the land into smaller and small segments at a destructive pace. The last census showed that most cities have fewer people. I am one of those that fled the city for the safety of the country.
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Does this mean I have to kick my chickens, dogs and bessy the cow out of my bed room :) Or are you advocating vegetarianism? Or against farm factories from that last sentence?
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Interesting only for those that can avoid the food and water shortages, riots and wars. Shortages caused by humans breading like rats. Let us support Family Planning and the Environmental Protection Agency :)
when times get really bad people will be forced to band together again.
around here most of the townships have lost population the past ten years.
when it comes to animals.
i'm just stating that it's more likely we'll have an increase of certain kinds of diseases as more people get involved in raising animals.
as it currently stands i'm not a big fan of factory farming, but the acreage involved in free range chicken farming for huge flocks would consume many acres of land and there's a good chance it would damage the environment on those many acres too. in the end my answer is to eat less meat all around. as an omnivore there are other sources i can be happy with and they cost less than meat most of the time.
looks like free range pig farming is already happening in Michigan with the wild pigs. so there at least is an ethical source of pig, but so far they've not shown their curly tails here...
And increased transportation cost$ to go to the markets, stores, and other business offices that are found in towns and cities. Do you get all your culture from the small screen?
Nad, I don't think you have a firm grasp on the concept of animal husbandry ;O)
There's that Chinese curse again.
Breading humans? Is that anything like schnitzel?
Sorry, both are being axed by Paul Ryan?s neo-liberal, bone-headed budget cuts :(
The end of progressive government? By E.J. Dionne Jr., Sunday, April , 7:53 PM So far, our nation?s budget debate has been a desultory affair focused on whether a small slice of the federal government?s outlays should be cut by $33 billion or $61 billion, or whatever.
But Americans are about to learn how much is at stake in our larger budget fight, how radical the new conservatives in Washington are, and the extent to which some politicians would transfer even more resources from the have-nots and have-a-littles to the have-a-lots.
And you wonder: Will President Obama welcome the responsibility of engaging the country in this big argument, or will he shrink from it? Will his political advisers remain robotically obsessed with poll results about the 2012 election, or will they embrace Obama?s historic obligation ? and opportunity ? to win the most important struggle over the role of government since the New Deal?
This week, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) will announce the House Republicans? budget plan, which is expected to include cuts in many programs for the neediest Americans.
The Ryan budget?s central purpose will not be deficit reduction but the gradual dismantling of key parts of government. Remember that Ryan wants both to preserve the Bush tax cuts and, over the long run, to enact more breaks for the wealthy, including the elimination of the capital gains tax.
Ryan?s plan reportedly will include steep Medicaid cuts, disguised as a proposal to turn the program into a ?block grant? to the states. The net effect would be to leave even more Americans to the mercies of the private insurance market.
In deference to the GOP?s success in turning last year?s health-care law into ?Obamacare,? let?s call this proposal Ryancare ? and let?s make sure we look carefully at its impact on the elderly and the disabled, the main beneficiaries of Medicaid.
Put the two parts of the Ryan design together ? tax cuts for the rich, program cuts for the poor ? and its radically redistributionist purposes become clear. Timid Democrats would never dare embark on class warfare on this scale the other way around. (cont.)
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If you like weekends (8 hr./day & 40 hr./week), then thank a labor union. They paid for it in blood.
Not at all, now that I am retired my cost for fuel has been dramatically reduced. I no longer drive a hundred miles round trip each day. I use more gas in my lawn mower than my truck now. I only go shopping twice a month. Gas can go to ten bucks a gallon for all I care now. I may start riding my bike ten miles one way to the nearest market or get horse.
I do not believe in that for a minute. When times get bad, people start aiming at each other for the scraps. At least in the US.
Michigan is the only state have a reduction in population. However, land prices with out a home on it is still going up in price. If the land has a home on it the price goes down. Land is still being used as an investment.
Ok, I will only beat them after they have a quick end to help tenderize them.
Free ranging animals will cost more therefore will eat less of the critters. I would support a human animals right bill that would reduce the crowding.
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