Are you by any chance attempting to refer to George Catlett Marshall? Your
argument might be more convincing if you could at least get his name right,
oh, and do research that goes beyond listening to talk radio.
"LEXINGTON, Va., April 30, 2009 -- False reports have been circulating on
some talk television and radio programs and on the Internet alleging that
cadets are routinely waterboarded at VMI as part of a ritualized hazing.
These false accusations are apparently being made to justify the practice of
waterboarding suspected terrorists, now banned by the President.
VMI does not waterboard anyone, nor can we find any reference in our records
that such a practice has ever occurred here. Some reports are specifically
alleging that George C. Marshall, a graduate of VMIs Class of 1901 and
arguably one of the greatest soldiers America has produced, was waterboarded
when he was a cadet. We have found no reference in our records or in the
voluminous biographical information about General Marshall that he was ever
subjected to waterboarding.
In their first months at VMI, cadets experience the Rat Line. This is a very
tough period, both physically and mentally. The Rat Line at VMI today is a
carefully calibrated experience that is professionally run. It does not
include waterboarding, and it cannot be equated with hazing.
These allegations are not appropriate to the reputation of General Marshall
or the Virginia Military Institute."
That's funny, anything that happens to someone other than yourself being
funny even if it's kind of bad.
I'll tell you what sport, we'll strip you naked, chain you in an agonizing
postion and leave you there for a few hours, then kick the crap out of you,
then lock you in a cold cell for a few days, maybe pound on you some more,
then we'll strap you down and put a suffocating wet cloth over your face
over and over until you tell us what we want to know. At the end of that do
you figure you'll conclude you have been tortured, or not?
Yes, GEORGE Marshall. I regret the error.
As to the waterboarding, I got my facts from an unimpeachable source:
"By the way, just to put waterboarding in perspective, it is the hazing
ritual for years at the Virginia Military Institute. George Marshall was
waterboarded as a cadet. Something that's not cool, but it's not - you know,
it's not ripping out your fingernails. And the -- but that hearing would
hurt the right -- would hurt the national security establishment." Dick
Morris on the O'Reilly Factor
[snip self-serving denials]
Of course! I've NEVER liked a pie in the face, even if others think it's
hilarious. Comedy is situational.
Actually, it doesn't matter what I think or what you think. There's a
"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is
intentionally inflicted on a person ... when such pain or suffering is
inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of
a public official or other person acting in an official capacity...."
Regrettably, this doesn't help a whole lot.
It could be said that merely confining someone is equivalent to "suffering,"
or that the possiblity of arrest, no matter how remote, is the same thing as
mental pain. No, the definition has to be more specific. I think the U.S.
authorities tried to quantify, as best they could, what acts constituted
"severe pain or suffering."
I tried to find such a tabulation, but was unable. I'm pretty sure the US
definition contained such things as removal of one or more limbs without
anesthetic and the like. That is, if the act resulted in a permanent
disability, it was torture.
I'm also pretty sure that waterboarding - and other enhanced interrogation
techniques - did not fall on the side of the sheet marked 'torture.'
You may quibble with what side of the sheet waterboarding is on, but that
goes to the definition. And you're certainly entitled to put forth elected
officials who'll re-define the process. But I warn you, it isn't easy to
come up with these definitions. It's sort of like obscenity. As one Supreme
Court justice said: "I like it when I see it."
Right. The number one cable network show for 100 consecutive months (8+
years). O'Reilly draws more viewers than CNN, MSNBC, and CNBC combined.
As an aside, Fox News garnered the top 11 spots in the rankings for last
month. Number 12 was "Countdown" with Keith Olberman (1.24 million viewers).
O'Reilly had 3.5 million viewers during the same period, according to the
Dunno. I think they're having trouble finding water in which Hannity will
That logic proves that Britney Spears out-sells Yo-Yo Ma.
That Wall-Mart is bigger than Bloomingdale's...and so on and so on....
The fact(?) that O'Reilley might out-sell Olbermann also proves that
McDonalds sells more food than Spiro's in LA.
and yet, UPS just dropped O'Reilly as a sponsor. A trend?
All of Faux News is right-wing nutbar driven, as you are, Bub.
Yep. It's the free market of free ideas at work. My own theory as to why the
Fox Folks outdraw the other outlets has to do with profanity.
You may be getting a bit ahead of the curve:
I can't find any evidence that UPS has EVER advertised on the O'Reilly
show - I could have missed something, though. Then there's this:
May 5th, 2009
But UPS has issued statement from its national spokesman Norman Black: "We
are writing to clarify our statement of last Friday because it appears to
have been misinterpreted. UPS has not 'pulled' any advertising from Fox News
nor has the company taken a position on the 'ThinkProgress' campaign. Our
intent on Friday simply was to note that UPS does not have any pending
advertising plans with the O'Reilly show."
Most objective evidence shows that Fox is more fair and balanced than the
other networks. Just this past Sunday, the Fox News Sunday had three cabinet
members of the Obama administration as guests.
But maybe you can help me understand.
O'Reilly (for example) has had Barney Frank, Jesse Jackson, Barak Obama, and
other liberals on his show. Has Olberman ever had Newt Gingrich, Ann
Coulter, George Bush or similar on his?
Of course not. They're not that stupid. Olbermann would eat them
alive. I could just imagine Ann Coulter on Rachel Maddow.... Rachel
had Colin Powell on... that was fun. Did you see that one?
Bet you like Glenn Beck too, eh? (AKA Harold Hill?)
Olbermann is a fluke. How can you take seriously someone who started his or
her career as a sporstcaster?
Dunno. I've never watched the Glenn Beck show. Perhaps I should: He's like
the 3rd most popular cable show on TV, with twice as many viewers as
Olbermann. I don't watch Olbermann either; I'm too busy correcting errors
and mistakes by others on newsgroups.
You know, I kinda like it in this thread. Now that Timbo has recovered
from his crushing defeat and HeyBub has been relief pitching, maybe
there will be some more indications of Foot-In-Mouth disease. Nothing
like signing up for a thrashing when you publicly admit to watching
Billo "The Clown" O' Reilly... Hell, next we'll get public admissions
of these guys having wet dreams about Ann "Adams Apple" Coulter.
I'm going to make me some popcorn.
Fukkit, we're going for 300! SPARRTAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
"The difference between Democrats and Republicans is:
Democrats have accepted some ideas of Socialism cheerfully, while
Republicans have accepted them reluctantly.
Norman Thomas, Presidential
Candidate, U.S. Socialist Party, 1948
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Whatever you're doing for a living today, you're wasting your talents.
Hollywood desperately needs comedy writers with your abilities. And no, it
won't even matter that you don't know you're writing comedy, the shows will
be just as funny if *you* take the dialogue seriously.
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