For the benefit of those who have not (and God only knows why not) kill
filed us, I've removed rec.woodworking from the distribution and
this, er, discussion here:
Who was more civilized in the revolutionary war? I guess the patriots were
all scumbags eh? Being civilized is overrated.
I consider sleep deprevation a more civilized form of turture than
dismemberment. Maybe you don't.
Maybe you should get a grip and realize that most Americans don't give a
flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks.
Exactly what's wrong with the yanks today.
You represent less than 5% of the world's population and your share is
shrinking. You are in debt to your eyeballs and the subsidy of US debt by
countries like China and India is considered the "greatest foreign aid program
in history" (The Economist, Sept 16, 2006). You refuse to honour trade deals
and international law. Your reputation is everything and in this world and you
don't give a damn about it.
Your loss. I hope your kids and grandkids will forgive you.
If so.... Then why do we have to pay off the notes when due? Would appear
your confusing hyperbole with fact.
Is this all of them, some or one? Would any country or especially the
largest trading partner in the world not have a dispute or two? If we are
"that bad" why are we flooded with foreign goods?
Not really.... in fact when push comes to shove it doesn't mean that much at
all...opinion is rather fickle and jealousy rather rampant. I'd suspect we'd
be one of the few countries in the world whom literally could roll up our
borders and get along quite well without any foreign entanglements but when
the rest of the world gets in its inevitable mess whom is going to bail it
Oddly in the 50's after we saved the free world at great cost of life and
coin, then presented a strong and expensive bulwark against the looming
Communist threat it was popular to call us the "Ugly American".....books
were written and great gnashing of teeth prevailed......Opinions of the day
don't always have that much importance. Rod
Having not always been a "yank", as an immigrant to the US, I'd say that
this is exactly what's *right* about us. We have not capitulated to
the self-destructive ideologies that are ruining Continental Europe
and a good part of the Anglosphere.
And our wealth is growing in the face of this. Like so many people, you
have puerile understanding of national debt. Yes, the US has large debt
- it's analogous to the guy who owns a rare Ferrari worth $1M, still
owes $100,000 on the note, and is getting a 5% pay raise every year. The
US GDP annualy cranks out $12 Trillion or so in net value. The
long-running debt is a fraction of that. Some considerable portion of
this could be eliminated almost instantly if we forced everyone who owed
us money to pay up AND quit fighting other people's wars. Note, for
example, that the US could easily operate without Arabic oil. If the US
just walked away from the Arab Penninsula and left it to its own slimy
tribal tendencies, guess who would get hurt? Western Europe & Japan
whose economies depend fundamentally on Arab oil.
Much of the US national debt is also driven by idiot do-gooding programs
that attempt to save people from their own stupidity. Over 50% of the
annual US Federal budget is consumed by so-called entitlement programs.
So ... by eliminating do-gooding both domestically and abroad, the US
could very rapidly eliminate its debt and become beholden to no one. If
that is what you're arguing for, I wholly concur.
They may or many not have anything to "forgive", but at least we'll
*have* grandkids. The current birth replacement rates in Western Europe,
Australia, Canada, & New Zealand are so low, that starting in about
20 years, the rest of the democratic West is going to cease to exist as
we know it. Spain will go first (at current rates) with such a low
population growth number that it should be Islamified fully in about
20-25 years. France, Italy, and Germany are next - again with the
replacement babies coming from the Islamic immigrants if current trends
prevail. Canada, Australia, and NZ have the same demographic problem,
but with a less obvious Islamic invasion to fill the gap. More likely
they will simply continue to diminish in importance or influence on the
world stage as fewer and fewer people remain to populate their nations.
The US is alone among Western powers with an almost perfect birth
replacement rate. That's because we encourage immigration and, more
importantly, people still really want to come here to live, work, and
raise their families. You know, the place that has all these problems
you've tried (very poorly) to identify.
We don't care what other nations think because we don't have to. When we
have to care, we will. But beware. The general goodwill and kindness
that are the instinct of the American people is stretched pretty thin
right now. After generations of picking up the military and humanitarian
tab for a good part of the rest of the world, we're tired of listening
to foolish, ill-mannered, and ignorant whining like yours. The last
thing most of the rest of the world can afford is for the US to back
away from the world stage and become entirely defensive in its military
and economic posture. But that sentiment is running stronger and
stronger in American culture as people watch their tax dollars evaporate
and the blood of their children spilled only to hear some haughty
European, Canadian, Aussie, or Kiwi lecture us about our bad behavior.
Be careful what you ask, for you shall surely get it ....
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
Nicely said. The benevolent nature of KBR/Haliburton, Bechtel and such,
really tugs at my heartstrings. The world is a better place since
Cheney left Haliburton and became VP.
The Carlisle Group and their defense portfolio, clearly shows their
effort in promoting peace.
Business has NO influence on politics, war decisions, and polution. Big
business simply does not exist.
For a guy (I am assuming) who has such a wonderful command of the
English language, you sure talk a lot of shit. Eloquent shit, but shit
nevertheless. (I am using a bit of your tactic here, attacking the
person rather than the issues.)
Nice job snipping away the context of Tim's response. Trying to deflect your
inability to rationally address Tim, you try to insert what you think are
the hot-button rallying cries for the disaffected fringe-left anti-american
rabble. You've managed to created both a straw man AND a red herring. I'll
give you 3.5 points out of 5 on the "Intellectually Impotent, But I'm
Desperately Trying" Kervorkian Scale.
Make that a solid 4.0. But that's just the first round. We'll combine
scores after your next go-around.
I wish it were possible to remove the benefit of having these companies
from all but the USA. You'd be squealing a different tune if your
nation actually had to pay for the vast bulk of its defense. Don't
kid yourself, Canada, and for that matter, most of the Anglosphere
enjoys its durable peace and freedom because the US has picked up the
lion's share of the costs. That means US *companies* get the contract
work necessary to do that work. Oh, and by the way, the contract to
Haliburton was let by the *Clinton* (aka gasbag lefties) administration
long before Cheney became VP.
You are also a raging hypocrite. Haliburton has a market capitalization
of about $28 Billion - they are Big Eeeevil Corporation according to
your screwball logic. Home Depot - whose products you proudly buy -
has a market capitalization of about $77 Billion - not quite 3x the
size of Haliburton. Yet HD is *not* Eeeeevil in your book somehow.
One the one hand you implicitly argue that wealth buys power and access.
On the other, you do business with a company with multiples of the
wealth you condemn. Your position is hypocritical, laughable, and childish.
I you find my prose hard to understand or the words too big, let me know
and I'll slide down the literacy scale sufficiently to meet you.
You still have not addressed a single point in the post to which
you are responding. Let me summarize:
1) The US debt is significant but not remotely dangerous.
2) Most of the US debt is driven by domestic and international
handouts that should be curtailed immediately.
3) Most of the free world owes its ongoing security to the fact
that the US is willing to become indebted to defend European
and other Anglo interests around the world (not to mention Japan).
4) The Anglosphere and Western Europe are in a death spiral of declining
populations. In Western Europe, the Islamists are already filling in
5) The US does not - at this time - need to care much about what the
rest of the world things because the US is doing most of the heavy
lifting. The Islamification of Europe and the irrelevancy of most
of the rest of the Anglosphere (by sheer lack of population) means
that the US has to act now to be positioned for the world 40 years
from now. Denying Islamist extremists nuclear weapons and a free hand
around the world is one such steps. There are more to follow.
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
You are correct that the birth rate, at least among the native born, is very
close to replacement rate. But immigration and the higher birth rate among
1st generation immigrants (and maybe 2nd and 3rd) are what have caused the
population to double in sixty-some years. Do you consider this a good thing?
Of course it doesn't matter what either of us thinks about it. The population
will continue to grow either by birth or immigration because the Ponzi
economy depends on it. Think how few houses, autos, appliances, etc. we'd
need with a stable population.
For the moment, yes. A nation's wealth (and thus power/influence) is
driven primarily by its per capita productivity. Immigration is part
(but not remotely all) of the equation to maintaining and growing
productivity. Given that the US will end up being the only significant
Western democracy on the planet in less than a half century (assuming
nothing changes in the Western/Anglo birth rates around the world in the
mean time), we need as many American citizens as possible. But "American
citizen" presumes these new emigre's will follow the path of their
predecessors - they must *assimilate* American ideals, values, and, yes,
language. Thanks to the usual Drooling Idiots, we now see a profoundly
dangerous movement to encourage immigration and *discourage*
assimilation. That could well be a death sentence for American ideals
wherein the US becomes just as balkanized and unable to speak with one
voice (literally) as is the case in Western Europe today.
Your understanding of "economy" is fundamentally broken. It is not a
"Ponzi" scheme of any sort. The "economy" is one measure of national
wealth. And "wealth" grows in proportion to national *productivity* not
on based on the number of toasters and Big Macs that get sold. If this
were not so, nations will little or no natural resources and/or goods
to sell would all be poor. Take even a casual look at Hong Kong,
Singapore, or Japan for some fairly compelling counterexamples. For
a more academic treatise on the matter, you might want to read the
source: Adam Smith's "Wealth Of Nations" and, in particular, his
"Pin Factory" example. He wrote with tremendous insight in the 18th
century. Too bad the modern so-called educated Westerner can't be
bothered to take the time to understand what he wrote.
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
The Locustus, Bugg and Daneliuk mutual admiration society has
deteriorated into a circle-jerk.
Listen up, O'Reilley fans, try to do some research beyond your
emotional desire to be 'right'.
Go get your daily infusion of fair and balanced news from Fox, keeping
your heads firmly planted up your asses.
For those American friends who wonder what went wrong with your
country.. here's an example.
You just can't teach arrogant people anything.
...btw, did you guys see the tag below the image of FagBoy Foley on
This is what it read:
Foley (D-FL)....lol..I guess they figured if he was gay, he'd have to
be a democrat.
See what I mean about the mindset of blind faith?
Were you part of the group that kept Fox news out of Canada for quite some
time?...... fear does strange things.
I suppose it takes a true believer to read "something" into a simple
typo......Do you perchance listen to Air America? Your empty tirades, rants
and factless drivel indeed sound like their bankrupt programming. Rod
Simple typo? My ass. Three times they ran that 'typo'. But, Rod, if you
want to buy into Fox's shit, go for it!
Nope, can't stand their pinko bullshit. I have a problem with
bullshit...from the right or from the left.
That pudge, Gore, looks like he's been eating too much of Bugg's BBQ
Lardburgers... and that Kerry would have REALLY screwed things up in
Okay... I'll bite...what factless drivel?
I get it...you feel left out.. you want to be in Circle Jerk
Ya got a gunrack in that Chevette?
Since its a little more than obvious that no mater how many times they said
he was a Dem it would and could never stick....and in fact any perceived
albeit remote benefit would be far less than the credibility harm to their
reputation for a rather known fact that he was not a Dem......thus with no
benefit and some harm.... why would it be anything more than a typo?
Cool.... at least your a equal opportunity America basher....although it
does beg the question as to the why?
Your recent posts here......I didn't notice any reasoned rational
discourse...Did I miss something?
Its a Dodge van without a gun rack although it does have a ladder rack.....I
do have a Cannuck for a sister though but she doesn't have a gun rack
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