Oh, really? So you're equating sleep deprivation with rape and murder?
Terrorists aren't covered by the Geneva Convention, which sets forth specific
conditions that must be met in order to be covered. Armed men captured on the
field of battle while wearing neither military uniform nor insignia don't meet
I notice you snipped my question: Do you really think that life in Iraq under
Saddam Hussein was comparable to life in the U.S. under George W. Bush?
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
What part of redefining torture to equate sleep deprivation with severe
physical mutilation or injury is so hard for YOU to understand. Harsh
interrogation is NOT torture.
According to the articles contained within the Conventions themselves, it IS
true. Oh, and before you embarrass yourself further, you'd better read the
entire opinion so you know what the Supreme Court really ruled. Quit relying
on the popular liberal media.
You're not too bright are you? Isn't it the opinion of the one who is being
interrogated? And in case you're not aware, sleep deprivation *can* have
severe, long term effects, some more effecting than your opinion of torture
is. Prolonged sleep deprivation can lead to death. How in your wildest
imagination can you dismiss that as not being a form of torture?
And you'd know right? You've lived there and can testify first hand what
it's like? And don't even think of trying to say something like you've
fought there or have heard first hand experience, because even foreign
soldiers, assuming they get through the ordeal, have a safe, supporting
country to come home to after it's over.
It's really quite amazing how someone like you with a little bit of
knowledge is truly dangerous. Try doing some reading for once in your life
besides posting outlandish opinions.
Actually, a moron in this case is defined by your obsession with displaying
your lack of knowledge. It seems *all* you're capable of doing is jerking
off at the sight of your online posts.
Bye now. There's no sense with continuing this discussion since you continue
to fail in your attempts to have anything worthwhile to say, or contribute.
I don't have any trouble telling the difference between sleep deprivation, and
murder. I'm sorry you do.
Perhaps you'd like to read the actual decision here:
and see for yourself that it does *not* say what you think it does.
How would the Iraqis know what it's like in the U.S.?
I notice you dodged the question *again*: do you *really* think that life in
Iraq under Saddam Hussein was comparable to life in the U.S. under George W.
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting...
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
That's a damn lie. Someone who has been captured by persons
other than his own countrymen becomes a protected person.
That a protected person can be tried and punished for crimes
comitted prior to capture, such as fighting in civilian disguise,
does not change the fact that the person is protected.
It doesn't make any difference if the captive is a spy, sabotuer,
'terrorist', your grandmother or the worst war criminal since
Joseph Mengele. Once captured, he is a protected person.
The Geneva Conventions are not a license to commit attrocities.
Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who,
at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves,
in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to
the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.
Note, "The Convention" refers to the 1949 convention, collectively,
not to any one specific protocol of the convention. The only exception
is for one's own nationals.
Further, under the 1949 GCs and under the US Constitution the
President and Commander in Chief has no authority to decide
which of the protocols is applicable to any particular person.
Now, as to the question that was posed, there is no doubt that
we are much better off in America with Geroge W Bush as our
President than Iraqis were in Iraq with Saddam Hussein as their
But that's the wrong question to ask, isn't it?
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