I think we've pretty near forgotten. One two line, half column blurb under
"Things On This Date In History" was it in the major local paper.
Some of these young history teachers should be put on a plane to Hawaii and
then made to stand for a half day or so on the Arizona Memorial. The rest of
the day at the Punch Bowl.
I work at a tech company with many "30somethings" who have either had
absolutely no history lessons in school or think anything that happened
prior to the "summer of love" was meaningless because they firmly
believe america re-invents itself every 25 years or so and the past is
not all that instructive. Perhaps that's why americans as a society
tend not to let history give us a lesson in vigilance, and history
repeats itself, e.g., 12/7/41 and 9/11. Same deal, sucker punch, just
a different enemy, time and place. I honor the memory of the dead of
both attacks, and ask why those presumably "in charge" did not
anticipate such acts which in hindsight seem so obvious. I guess its
the same disease of ignoring the past that infects my co-workers. So
Whilst waxing philosophic, I might as well continue. Our wonderful
Prez seems to suffer from the same intellectual disease, instead of
pursuing Al Queda with all our resources post 9/11, his leadership
detours (manipulates?) us into invading Iraq simply because Saddam
tried to have Dubya's daddy killed and/or all of his oil buddies (read
campaign contributors) were salivating over that "bubbling crude" under
the sand in that shi*hole country, and not because there were any Al
Queda terrorists there being supported by Saddam who was presumably
giving them WMD. Even a fool can realize that Saddam would not have
tolerated a religious-based armed power structure within his fiefdom.
Now, and properly so, we have to stay (1, 2, 3 years, no end to it that
I can see) to clean up the hotbed of international terrorism that
filled the power vacumn our invasion created, and do that at great loss
of life - both american and iraqi. Somehow, even though I didn't
particularly care for the guy, I don't think Al Gore would have gotten
us into this mess. I dunno, I guess I'm just so, so sad for those
families that have lost their sons and daughters in this particular
aspect of the war on terror that really shouldn't have happened in the
BYW, today is the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's murder. We should
all read the lyrics of "Imagine" and just think about what he was
trying to say.
I'll shut up now.
The History teacher would love to teach history but the friggen school
administration dictates what will be taught. The schools have to be all
politically correct so as not to offend some one. Teaching about the
Japanese would hurt some Americans feelings. Then there is the Darwin
I say let the teather teach and diciplin the child.
Maybe. I've seen too many history teachers, and English teachers, who don't
know enough about their subjects to teach anything. The leads to a
generation now turning 30 that has no idea what the causes of the 'Nam war
were, with no idea that the Korean War was even fought--most of those who do
know of Korea think of it as an extension of WWII, and they view WWII as
something that was a cakewalk for the Allies, with a predetermined outcome.
Charles Self (in
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| Maybe. I've seen too many history teachers, and English teachers,
| who don't know enough about their subjects to teach anything.
I was lucky - I had good teachers. My kids' history teachers didn't
even bother to give their classes a clue as to /why/ history was
taught in school. I recalled George Santayana's famous quote ("Those
who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.") and we began
working our way backward from what was being reported on the evening
news - a game to identify historical precedent for current events.
I found it interesting that their history grades improved - and that
they concluded that most politicians seemed to lack either integrity
or proper education (or both). Darned if I don't agree.
The real eye-opener came some years later when I discovered that my
(then) Soviet Russian ESL students (all engineers) knew more of
American history than we even attempt to teach in our schools...
DeSoto, Iowa USA
eye-opener came some years later when I discovered that my
If you'd seen what they were taught about their own, you'd be even more
amazed. I can remember posting some changes to our books back when an RSL
student. Remove these pages - someone out of favor - insert these.
The powers that wish to be in power forever are willing to sacrifice reality
for harmony. How that differs from sacrificing it for socialist reality is
something I don't quite understand.
Wouldn't limit it to those two subjects, had a "Teacher" at the
college level that ASKED THE STUDENTS if THEY knew what the concept
was! Another read from the text and didn't understand what he was
reading. This was after students got sick and tired of his stories
about voice recognition software that was being developed. I'm
In an advanced drafting class in high school the teacher, ex-woodshop
theacher that developed painful ailments and was reassigned, was
grading drawings when a student exclaimed in a silent classroom "Jesus
Christ!" when he realised he made a mistake and "Pop" looked over his
glasses and suggested "John, next time I'd suggest you call on someone
you know better" and went back to grading in silence. He had three
kids Tom, Dick and Harry. When he was Boy Scout Troop Leader his
troop was the largest in town! Miss him!
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:09:44 GMT, "Charles Self"
Just curious, did God not watch over those that fell?
If you ascribe a man's survival to divine intervention, surely the reverse
must be true. Those millions that did not survive WWII must have been left
out of God's watchfulness. As God is omnipotent by definition, he must have
been capable of watching over everyone, he just must have chosen to do so in
some cases and not others.
If that is the case then you would have to wonder why God would choose this
man to watch over and not this other man.
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Hear hear. For some soldiers getting up in the morning and not shooting a
hole in their foot makes qualifies them for hero status in my book.So many
men and women did their bit in your country and both of mine (UK and Oz)
without recognition and returned to a ungrateful world.
One of my grandfathers was unable to enlist as he was in a reserved
occupation. He was a coal miner. Every working day he would go down the mine
not knowing whether he would have a family to come back to when he came back
up. Twice he came up to find his home wrecked and once he arrived after they
had dug his wife out of the rubble and yet he went down again the next day.
I can't imagine how he must have felt when he went down again and again and
His wife, my Grandma, was a hero too She was a midwife who "delivered babies
as the bombs were falling". On one occasion a German bomber was about to
crash land and to avoid being blown up by their own bombs they dropped the
load in a line down the main street, destroying several houses (including
hers) as it went.
The damage still shows in the house next door as a large crack running up
the wall by the stairs. The bomber crash landed and a mob was about to lynch
the crew. Grandma pushed her way through the crowd (all 5 ft 2 of her!) and
faced them all down.
"But Nurse! Look what they have done to your house! " said one of the mob.
"Its no worse than what my boys are doing over there." she replied.
And it wasn't.
She then proceded to care for their wounds.
I don't think I would have done that, I think I would have just helped kill
Her recognition came in the form of naming a street after her. Grandads?
Well he got a letter from the king.
If it makes ya feel any better, Charlie, the front page of our local paper had
pictures and articles about the local celebration and showed a shot of a Pearl
Harbor survivor reading the names of local folks who died in the attack, while
another P. H. vet rand the bell..
"New from Mitsubishi, the company that brought you Pearl Harbor"
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:21 +0000, Charles Self wrote:
We did a little better. In addition to the above, we had about a half
page article on a survivors reunion. Of course, it was on the last page.
As one who was a child during that war, many thanks to all who fought in
it - I owe you.
We all owe them. This world would be considerably different, and not
pleasantly so, without their sacrifices. I was about seven when WWII ended,
and, in one way or another, we've been embroiled in wars for too many of the
years since then, but we've also had longer and more peaceful times of calm
than most eras ever see. It will be wonderful, if it ever happens, when an
era of calm, of peace, extends so far into the past that there is no need to
remember the last war. But that's far in the future, and seems to be
Amen, guys; there were once giants on the earth, and they were of that
generation. My father was drafted in '39 and was in it until '45; those men
and women literally did the impossible. I wonder if our present generation
would have the fortitude....
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