Al Gore take note.
Kansas gets cold, but sub zero in the southeastern part of the state
is unusual. Occasionally, we might see -1 or -3 and that is fairly
rare (one or two times/year, if at all.) We make up for the really
cold temperatures with wind.
Our next few nights are forecast in the -5 to -10 range. The
cattlemen are busy and nervous.
There is a difference between weather and climate.
Also, the world is bigger than just North America. 2009 was Australia's
3rd hottest year on record since 1910 (and the warmest winter on
record). It was South Korea's 5th warmest since 1912. There are
probably other similar stats but those were just the first couple hits I
I believe if you will read the non algorian news you will find that the
whole northern Hemisphere is experiencing the coldest weather on record.
Record snows in America, Europe and in China.
The best part of the Global warming conference was the fact that obama
had trouble getting back into the US because the airports were closed
because of record snow falls.
I question any conclusion when some one tells me there is a 0.4 degree
warming trend when at any given time the temperature variation across
the total face of the earth on any given day is is over 100 degrees.
Based on the precision of the average temperature measurements that is
insignificant. If you know nothing else about statistic do the
Student's T test on the data. In this data t = <0.1 to be significant it
would need to be greater that 2.8. I suspect there would be that much
variance (0,4 degrees)in the temperature with in a couple of hundred
feet of any one temperature measurement point
Uhh, uhm, Keith ... if you please, this is not science, this is
Please keep that in mind when introducing scientific reasoning and
accountability into an AGW discussions.
The cabal thanks you ...
<there is no cabal>
Science does not operate by majority vote. Science operates by making a
hypothesis, then testing it to see if it yields correct or incorrect
predictions about the behavior of the real world.
There was a time when > 95% of the world's geologists believed that continents
were fixed in place and did not move.
There was a time when nearly 100% of the world's population, scientists and
otherwise, believed the earth to be flat.
If a position is based upon percentage agreement, it may be politics, it may
be faith, it may be lunacy -- but it is not science.
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:02:41 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
Well, the Greeks certainly knew the Earth was round - one of them
measured it :-).
You must be speaking of the Middle Ages. There were no scientists then,
the church wouldn't allow it. There were some in Arab countries, but the
only ones I know of were mathematicians. Someone who knows more about
Arab science of those times can chime in here.
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Aristarchus, I believe it was, and came up with a remarkably accurate
estimate, too, considering the measuring tools he had available to him.
And you must be restricting your viewpoint to Europe only. :-) Mariners knew
for a long time that the surface of the earth is curved -- what other
explanation can there be for the fact that you can see the masts of a distant
ship long before you can see the hull? Non-sea-faring cultures, though, had no
such reference points -- the earth is "obviously" flat, right?
Actually, the main reason science stagnated in the Middle Ages is that once
the Roman Empire fell, *everything* stagnated.
The answer to the ship-mast question can easily be answered by positing a
hill (of water) between the ships.
As to the conclusion "what other explanation can there be," ignorance of any
other possibility is not a proof. Sherlock Holmes said: "If you eliminate
all other possibilities, whatever is left must be the answer" is correct as
far as it goes. The fact remains that one cannot eliminate all other
possibilities. There always remain the cases of miracles, hallucination,
lies, mistakes, and a host of others. Absence of evidence is not evidence of
As for the earth being flat, it is if you're building a house, surveying a
lot, plowing a field, laying out a road, building a railroad (except for the
hills), and so on. Just like Newtonian mechanics are the ultimate truths for
bowling, billiards, or shooting a scrot who breaks into your shed.
I can assure you that surveyors do take into account the curvature or the
Earth because the distance between lines of longitude varies with the
distance from the equator. I did surveying software back in the '70s and
know whereof I speak :-).
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
If you live in the mid west you will find many slight jogs in the back
roads where they cross township lines. These jogs will only be a couple
of dozen feet. I have been told they were caused by the surveyors
adjustment for he decreasing length of the longitude.
These slight jogs can be seen in most states in the mid west. They are
easily found in those area that are flat like the area east of Fort
Wayne Indiana. Use Google earth and trace the back roads north, you
will see many of the jogs. (The main roads once also had these jogs, but
years of improvements have removed them.
Generally out here they apparently "saved up" over larger distances so
most correction-line adjustments are quite a bit larger than 20-30 ft;
more like 1/8-th or 16-th of a mile. I'd actually guess they were
actually in a fixed number of chains or rods; I'd have to research what
the standard measure was when this area (far SW KS) was surveyed.
And, on (B), they may have smoothed out or rounded off the square
section-line corners, but even the US highways still have easily
discernible correction-line jogs to this day (and likely will for quite
a long time to come).
Correct. Surveyors DO take into account curvature. But not for "surveying a
For small distances (say, surveying a section) the difference is
undetectable. I did map creation back in the 60's for marine seismic
surveys. For most surveys, up to about 100 miles or so, there was no
discernable difference even when using different projections (Mercator,
Universal Transverse Mercator, Lambert, etc.).
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