What temperature did you *serve* it at?
Given the amount of gadgetry McDonalds uses, you would think they
could come up with a machine that would hold the coffee at one
temperature and then serve it at a lower temperature. For a given
temperature and flow rate, you could design a heat exchanger to
remove the appropriate amount of heat. It wouldn't be that hard
One of the articles said McDonalds claimed people were buying
coffee to drink later at home or at the office, while their own
research showed that people wanted to drink it in the car on the
way there. It makes them sound like they don't know what they're
Most fast food places serve *everything* too hot to eat...
We served coffee at 185°. This is what Bunn coffee machines are set for from
the factory. The majority of restaurants use Bunn coffee machines. What about
tea? The water should be brought to a boil before the tea bag is inserted.
McDonalds is in a no win situation. They have to decide between quality or
safety. The type of cliental at McDonald's makes me think that safey should win
I went through my period of being a coffee snob and that's what I
learnt, run 200 degree water over the grounds.
Never worried much about holding temperature as even the bad coffee I
now drink isn't around very long.
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:38:32 GMT, email@example.com (Doug Miller)
I don't think that's a valid assumption.
At what temperature do you have to start issuing warnings? Maybe it's
just me, but I learned a long time ago that coffee is hot, and if I
spill it on myself, it is going to hurt. If I were stupid enough to
put a cup of hot liquid between my legs in a moving vehicle, I would
accept the consequences of that decision.
I have the answer. When a cup of coffee is sold, it should come with a store
employee to drink it for you. Since the employee must be returned to the
store, most may wish their coffee to be consumed there instead of having to
come back for the return. End result: drive up to McDonalds drive thru and
pay a McDonalds employee to drink a cup of coffee for you.
How long can we keep this no win debate going?
Early 60's, worked as tech in large computer room w/floating floor, so all
entrances had been ramped up from original floor. Rear corner of comp. rm.
was a hot/cold fountain with instant coffee, hot choc., etc.. One of the
programmers was a polio victim in a wheelchair. When he would come in for a
cup of coffee, the ONLY way he had to carry it was between his legs. Every
so often the door(self-closing) would bump the back of his wheelchair on the
way out, and the resulting "GREAT BALLS OF FIRE" would resound throughout
Your premise is wrong. There was no ONLY way. Did someone
say he had had to transport it in the original full open
container? I doubt that. Did someone say that only he
could transport it and not someone else transport it for
him? I doubt that. Now a lawyer might be able to convince
a jury that the ONLY way was.... but it wouldn't be true.
Do you assume that he was too stupid to realize that he
spilled it once, that he should do things differently? If
he was that stupid he shouldn't have been programing. The
truth was, he made a decision to continue carrying his hot
beverage in a way that it would spill. He could have put it
in a larger container so it wouldn't spill on him or a dozen
different things. Get the drift? It was his decision
process that resulted in the spills.
I was not working on a "premise"!
It was intended as a little humor.
If there was someone nearby, they frquently carried it for him, but if
there was no one around, he put the PAPER cup from the dispenser rack
between his legs, and generally was in good enough control of everything
that he made it out the door and down the ramp without getting bumped.
However, once in a while he would get jarred and spill a little(not the
whole cup). The scream was not one of intense pain, just his way of letting
the whole department he *screwed up* again.
Get a life.
Hot coffee is supposed to be hot. That's why they call it hot coffee.
The optimal temperature for storing HOT coffee is 175-180 degrees.
McDonnalds was serving coffee well within that temperature range. The
claim that other places do not serve their coffee properly is of no
If we are going to follow your sill logic, then we should force all
restaurants to pre-chew our food for us. After all everyone knows that
people can choke on large pieces of food, and pre-chewing would prevent
this. how dare those nasty stores not pre-chew everything and risk
subjecting us to serious injury
Stupidity should hurt. When I hold something hot in my hand, I know
what can happen, and behave responsibly. While this concept may be to
complicated for some, I really don't feel the need to suffer for their
This is a woodworking newsgroup. The makers of tools know of the
dangers of such tools. A small percentage of users manage to hurt
themselves on these devices. Just how much extra safety stuff should
they be required to add onto their tools just to prevent a few Darwin
candidates from showing their lack of smarts. Already, you can't buy a
table saw in the EU that will accept a dadao blade.
Why should they be expected to pay out anything. She spilled the coffee
on herself. If they wanted to be really polite, They might want to
offer a refill, but expecting someone else to pay for a persons own
stupidity is just plain pathetic.
McDonald's was serving coffee between 185 and 190 degrees, they require all
their restaurants to do so. It's above normal, and it is of concern if they
decide to serve their coffee hotter than anyone else. If everyone else
brews their coffee at, say, 155, then most people would assume that it's the
way McD's serves it. If you spill coffee from another restaurant on
yourself, you won't need skin grafts.
There's a big difference between expecting the absurd extremes you're
describing and brewing coffee at a more normal temp, in line with what most
other restaurants do.
Do you know what third degree burns even are? Haven't you ever spilled
something? It's just a mistake, it's not stupid. It's a mistake that
happens all the time. It happens all the time.
If a company knows of a reasonably cost-effective way to make their product
safe that doesn't ruin the function it's supposed to serve, then they should
I'm not an anti-corporation person, and I think gov't over-regulation of
private business is a bad thing... But when you have a clear case where a
company knows there's a danger, has a history of people being injured by
this danger, has a cost effective and reasonable way to avoid causing
injuries,and makes a calculated decision not to do something about it, they
should be punished for that.
That's all I've got to say, I'll let someone else have the last word if they
want. I gotta go find my scraper and burnisher and smooth up some
You too, Jonathan.
This might save others a lot of posting time...
No one knows for sure how much she actually finally got.
Wishing you and yours a happy Thanksgiving season...
I believe the judge remittitturred most of it and she got
legal fees and medical fees out of it at the end. Nothing
else, the stupid, scheming wench.
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Something everyone here seems to have missed (unless I missed your not
missing it) is she put the cup between her legs and TOOK THE LID OFF!
How frigging stupid can someone be as to remove the top of a styrofoam
cup and expect it to be held between their legs? It's awful damned
optimistic to think the cup wouldn't crush * with * the lid.
Not so stupid! lol
All she wanted...at the very beginning...was for her medical bills to
be paid. Wouldn't YOU think that was fair?
They basically told her to fuck off.
She basically told them....well, the rest is history! lol
Wishing you and yours a happy Thanksgiving season...
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