Thus the value of being informed versus merely angry. Those you do
business with, and they will tell you as a CY(T)A, political and charitable
are not covered. For others, you refer to the DNC enforcers.
Probably 95% of solicitations are or were boiler-room operations, though
those you hire are still your responsibility.
Plenty of loopholes (some appropriate) for charities, politicians and
company's you've done business with in the past. Also plenty of
disreputable contractors ignoring the lists.
IIRC - you had to say something akin to "We do not accept calls for
solicitation. Put this number on your do-not-call list." rather than (the
more cathartic) "Piss off!" :)
Also - those anectodal stories of people getting $$ from offenders are
apparently true. If so inclined, put a notepad by the phone and start
tracking the vitals. Maybe you can get some bux out'a them.
Personally - I opted for the RBOC's "No Solicitation" feature for our line.
I chose it long before the DNC lists were being setup. The downside is
$6/month. The upside? From 8-12 calls a month to zero, zilch, nada,
zippo - not one in over 3 years.
Charlie, and all else...
Go to "www.donotcall.gov" and you'll find a COMPLAINT choice which is
quite simple to use. They advise you should have had your number on
the list for a minimum of 3 months. A form asks for your number,
the number and name of the party who called (if known), the date,
and the time of day. Maybe a couple more items, I don't recall.
Charlie Self wrote:
It is real easy to file a complaint. All you need is the phone number OR
the name of the calling party and some information from you. I have used it
twice(pretty sure it was for the same company each time) a couple of months
apart. We used to get several calls a day before the list. Now those two
are the only ones I have recieved since putting my name on the list.
Just for the record.
I just noticed that you were referring to a call from the AT&T credit card
people. AT&T sold their credit card business, including the name, back in
the1997/1998 time frame. I recall Smith Barney Inc. was one of the player, but
I'm not sure who ending up buying that segment of AT&T's businesses.
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD, underaged drinking, pre-marital sex,
extra-marital sex, jaywalking, speeding, driving without a seatbelt...
You didn't think making it illegal was actually going to stop it did you?
I just stay on the net all day. Keeps the phone calls down. :)
I hate to hear my phone ring, really. It's always
* my boss
* one of SWMBO's friends/relations
* a spammer
Hardly ever anyone else. Nobody except my boss or a spammer *ever* calls to
talk to me. <sniff>
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan < email@example.com>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
So far, it's worked really good for us. Only violators thus far have
been two messages from a consumer debt service that appears to be trying
to do an end-around the intent of the law because it is a "non-profit"
(but of course, they do charge a fee) and MCI. We have (as of last
Saturday, make that 'had') MCI long-distance, thus MCI felt entitled to
call us and offer us local as well as long-distance despite the fact we
are on the no-call list because they have an existing business
relationship with us. My understanding of the intent of the law
regarding existing business relationships was to allow companies to call
regarding accounts, etc. without having some idiot go after them for
violating the no-call list, not to allow a company with whom you do
business bother you for more business. Seems a pretty stupid thing to
do, you know your customers don't want to be bothered, but you feel you
have the sacred right to bother them anyway since you have an
"existing" business relationship? Anyway, it motivated me to get in
gear and switch LD carriers, a task I was planning to do for quite a
I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words, say
replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do they really
think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't want to
hear from them anyway?
An awful lot of modern business seems to fish for customers with irritants--I'm
getting less and less able to watch pro sports these days because of the
commercials. And the PSA spots are getting more aggravating by the week: I
really don't appreciate seeing a PSA on smoking from a talentless rap group
(probably redundant) or a bunch of grinning teenage goof-offs creating problems
around an office building any more than I want to buy Depends or Ensure.
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
That's what he was saying. Why try to get around somebody's blocking
filters when you know they don't want to see what you're sending? You
are only going to make those people even more angry and certainly aren't
going to get any more business.
The one's that really get me are the ones that have nonsense in the
subject line -- same reason, plus by randomizing the crap they get
around some ISP's filters as well. Do they really think I'm going to
open an e-mail with the subject, "garcia clarinet montevideo bud
shameful"? BTW, that's a real spam subject line from one in my filter
The ones that baffle me are those from Asia that use an oriental
language and character set. Not only are mosts of the recipients
in the western world not interested in whatever the postings have
to say, they can't read them anyway. Talk about a total waste of
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Seems a pretty stupid thing to do, you know your customers don't want
Well, that worked out well for them, didn't it? It's amazing to me how poorly
they seem to understand people. A similar call motivated me to cancel all of my
long distance service; I no longer have a LD carrier. I've been using
onesuite.com (2.5 cents/minute anywhere in the US/anytime) for a while, but
hadn't gotten rid of the LD carrier because I didn't know I had the option of
not having one at all.
Anyway, that phone call tore it. I called BellSouth and cancelled AT&T. I've
used onesuite (like a calling card) exclusively ever since.
AT&T hasn't a clue about customer relations. We received
a letter a month or so ago wanting us to return to using
AT&T long distance. I sent them a reply stating that if
they hadn't shafted us so badly previously, we wouldn't
be an ex-customer. Magazine publishers have known for
eons that it's far cheaper to retain a current customer
than it is to find a new one.
Regarding no-call, I don't recall receiving any such calls
since the law went into effect. Prior to that, we'd get
two or three per day (and many more when the callers'
dialing machines malfunctioned).
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