Why not?......Is the capture and storage cost prohibitive?......Are not
rising levels of CO2 simply the release of naturally stored CO2?
I'd agree with current technologies and costs nuclear is the only or the
largest viable energy crisis alternative.......Renewables are simply stop
gaps and niche products and often expensive....Conservation makes a good
sound bite but no one ever rationed themselves to prosperity. Possibly
worthwhile for getting through hard times but never for solving hard times.
Jeff Immelt, CEO, General Electric, obviously doesn't share your point
Seems he has made the decision to invest significant GE resources in
the renewable energy business.
Wonder where the assets from the sale of the GE major appliance
business will be invested?
Wind turbine anyone?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous the above sounds?
GE doesn't "think", they "know" there is money to be made long term,
in the renewable energy business, which is why the major capitol
investment is being made to develop products for it.
Renewable energy products have an international market while major
appliances (ovens, stoves, refrigerators, etc) are limited to the
Maybe that is why major appliances are for sale.
Maybe they need the $'s to build more and bigger wind turbines.
Your quibbling over "think" vs "know" instead of addressing the point
being made tells me that you don't really have a viable
As for ovens, stoves, refrigerators, etc being limited to the domestic
market, are you saying that Americans are the only people who cook
food and store it in refrigerators? If so, you really need to talk to
your doctor about your medication.
"Quibbling", interesting choice of words.
There is no "arguement", simply a statement of facts.
It's very difficult to be competitive shipping major appliances across
Ever wonder why the Chinese tried to buy a US appliance manufacturer
rather than serve the US market from China?
Seems the logic evades you.
Check out sand cast iron barbell weights at a sporting goods store
sometime. The last ones I saw here in Maryland were imported
from the PRC. Somehow they manage to be competitive shipping
(literally) dead weight halfway around the worlds.
Different ball game.
When you ship a major appliance, it includes a lot of sailboat fuel
which makes it very tough to get any shipping density on a container
Freight charges end up being based on occupied volume, not weight.
If it were not for the problems of waste control and control of plutonium
(apart from cheap nuclear weapon material, it is also very, very toxic),
nuclear would be ideal. Hence the '60's ideas of fusion energy, still a
great potential source.
Not so. I signed up for electricity delivery from renewable sources, and
I hope I am not hoodwinked. The info and bills say I am getting 100% of
my electricity from wind and water, all for ~$4/month more. OK, on a
$50/month electric bill it is by percentage a lot, perhaps, but not much
in impact on my pocketbook.
Conservation can be as easy as walking to the post office 200 yards away,
instead of starting up the car from cold, just for getting a few stamps.
Or turning off the lights when not needed. Conservation need not be a
measure of last resort, but is just a showing of respect for natural
All in my opinion, of course! And I do leave my computers on too much
But are you really paying 100% of the cost of the difference for those
renewables, or it this where you are paying for one of those "green watts"
programs where you donate a certain amount per month for so development of
so many kilowatt hours of wind or solar?
Not sure that many people would actually drive that short a distance and
even those who do are using miniscule amounts of energy in so doing
If you are doing it to save money, that's one thing. If you think you are
saving the planet, you've been hoodwinked.
One of the biggest wasters of resources is the idiotic "sleep mode" on
copiers and printers at places of business. It takes on the order of
minutes for those things to wake up while the person using them has to
wait. When you compute the cost of the person's time vs. the electricity
savings, the electricity savings pale in comparison. That's a real drag on
productivity and output
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
I am surcharged to pay for the difference in cost (or subsidy - what's
the difference?) between ordinary electricity and high-faluting
electricity. Thereby I believe I am doing something good, and I am happy
that I can afford it.
I was making a point, and using close to an actual distance between my
home and the USPS office in 07410. At night, when getting a prescription
in the rain from the CVS 100 yards further, I have chosen to use the car.
One does not exclde the other. Do not demean the "rush" of realizing
you're doing something "good" <grin>.
That's true for a gadget that is used every few minutes, or at least
every half hour on a 24/7 basis. I was more thinking of the TV being
really on while everyone is asleep or at work. Or the copier is on
during the long weekend. (Our copier at work goes into deep sleep when
not used in an hour or so, so then it is less of a factor).
Ahh, the Church of Global warming. Repentance, penance, and absolution
(carbon credits). I get it
Over weekends and at night I'll buy.
... and that's where the problem lies. One hour, two hours, during the
business day -- that is what is really expensive. Even if the copier takes
1 kW (not true, but I don't have the numbers to hand) in idle mode -- that
is at most 20 cents worth of electricity (50 cents in California probably).
OTOH, the employee waiting for that copier to wake up from deep sleep --
typically 3 to 5 minutes can easily cost on the order of $3 to $5 worth of
time once you figure labor and overhead into the time accounting for that
person. It becomes even more expensive when the copies are critical for
some last-minute deadline and one has to wait for the copier to "wake up"
because it was idle for more than an hour.
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
We can go back and forth about this, but the fact remains that power on
means power consumed. How to limit that, and how to make "instant on"
indeed instant on from power off or practically off, that's what should be
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