And a recent interesting story about IBM privatization v. "socialism":
Unfortunately, it is in regards to welfare services, but it could be
there is a lesson in there somewhere...
Business is not designed to give away money--the failed concept is that you
can help people by giving them money without also giving them incentives to
work and the skills necessary to obtain work (which are different from the
skills necessary to _do_ work).
Nonsense. A properly run business should be able to excel at any task
assigned - whether manufacturing or disbursement of funds and
services. If not, it should fail. In this case, IBM failed to meet the
standards of even a reputedly grossly ineffective government entity.
My point was not about welfare, but about the efficiency and
effectiveness of government vs. private enterprise. I'm not about to
defend the current state of affairs with regards to the dirt bags in
public office, nor the assortment of profiteering corporations and
their drooling stockholders who do no work at all, short of counting
their returns on investment. Simply pointing out a single recent case
where privatization didn't work - and there are plenty more.
Privatized prisons and parole services have many in law enforcement
and justice up in arms. Companies made big promises, but have utterly
failed to meet either performance objectives or efficiency goals. Most
consider the move a huge mistake. The government was considered
inefficient, but the private companies have turned out to be, as many
expected, profiteers whose primary objective was to extort money under
the color of law while providing no services in the public interest.
In other words, they proved even worse than big, bad government.
As for the welfare aspect, I don't disagree with your point. But where
are you going to employ them? Without jobs people cannot work,
without cash flow, employers cannot hire. The jobs that once provided
income to the poor and uneducated, such as textiles, steel, and much
manufacturing, have been shipped offshore. Even agriculture has been
taken over by AgriCorp and machinery. NAFTA killed off Mexican farmers
ability to profit from farming and resulted in a huge influx of
immigrant workers looking for income. So they end up being exploited
at meat packing plants and farms thereby pushing even more US citizens
out of jobs they would otherwise hate, but do to make a living.
So what do you propose the unemployed do for a living? The right
opposes abortion, and you're never going to stop people from having
sex, so the problem simply grows and grows. Nothing productive is done
on any front. All I see and hear is more rhetoric, vitriol and failed
ideology. The stupid breed en masse and the right screams, "But what
about the unborn children?" Bullshit. These morons put more thought
into breeding dogs and horses than they do bettering the human race.
Personally, if some idiot wants to speed at 110 MPH and not wear a
seat belt while talking on a freaking cell phone, I say let him. It's
Darwin in action - they are unwittingly saving us from ourselves. Kids
should be protected from ignorance, adults, not so much.
Those that have want even more, and those that have nothing harbor no
hope of extricating themselves from the miserable lives they lead. To
the newly born this is no longer the land of opportunity, but a land
of corporate fuel screws and impoverished consumers of imported crap.
Unless, of course, you are born into the aristocracy/plutocracy. Even
the few that break out of poverty through education are ultimately
saddled with debt which takes 20+ years to pay off - if then, in this
present economic situation. We can spend a real 32% of the Federal
budget on military profiteers plus another 18% on the debt from past
military spending but we shun science, education and birth control. We
then export jobs and factories en masse to a communist nation while
amassing trillion dollar trade deficits. Smart!
I suppose the short of it is, we're f'd. The US is a failure. Happy?
Can you think of a reason why Australia showed up on the spreadsheet and not
on the graphs?
If you don't understand the difference between the enumerated powers,
local responsibilities, and the government takeover of private enterprise
then there is no reason to even attempt discussion on the topic.
People need NASA to live? Do tell.
The founders carefully considered what the government should pay for and
listed it in the Constitution. There is nothing there about the government
paying for medical treatment. And schools, police, and fire departments are
not funded by the national government, nor are parks. I don't know what a
"community power consortium" is but there is certainly no Federally funded
And the government paying for it is going to alter those charts in what way?
There are a lot of things we take for granted that aren't mentioned in the
Constitution, yet it might be awkward to do away with all of them.
Considering that the power companies have displayed indifference to
protecting their systems from computer hackers (especially those paid by
foreign powers) I for one won't be surprised to see the federal govt. take a
more active interest in that industry.
But it would be healthy to do so. And you're right - the sheeple have
been dulled and have themselves requested a form of government that
they "take for granted" so long as their own various oxen are not
gored. Then one day, when the economy is on the skids, unemployment
has skyrocketed, and the various government bodies broke, the sheeple
finally wake up in complete alarm only to demand more gasoline on
their foolish fire: More government.
Fire, police, etc. are ordinarily funded at the state/local/city level.
The snoopy Feds have inserted themselves there was well of late all
in the name of "I'm from Washington D.C. and here to help you."
Local parks are locally funded. Federal parks are Federally funded.
Oh, and some of the worst land abuses ever seen in this last century
were on Federally owned/"managed" lands, because government is so very
good at doing things like this.
That's hilarious. Let's do a simple examination of some facts - you are,
as always, free to your own opinions, but not your own facts:
- "The power companies" for many years enjoyed a no-compete monopoly
courtesy of ... wait for it ... the government. During this time
these same companies did a lousy job of forward investment in transmission
lines, and distribution infrastructure, and only a mediocre job of
power generation infrastructure. For instance, they routinely estimated
new nuke facilites at $3B that actually came in at nearly twice that, and
then used their government monopoly status to jack up rates. It was GOVERNMENT
that made this foolishness possible. The government's own generation sites
like the TVA aren't much better (if at all) and have been a morass of
politics, inefficiency, and incompetence.
- There are considerably more successful hacking attacks on government and DOD
facilities than there are power gen facilities. In part, of course, this is
because there are so many more government/DOD targets. But, if you think that
the federal government taking a "more active interest" in securing the power
infrastructure is going to make things better, think again.
- Outside the very narrow world of secure military and intelligence
systems, the Federal IT infrastructure is itself a mess having been
conceived by bureaucrats and executed by something worse than union labor.
That's why Federal CIOs change with the season. No one can cope with the
unholy mess that results from a marriage of politics, bureaucracy, an
unfirable workforce, and and incoherent and overlapping set of fiefdoms.
A few years ago I gave a talk at a conference of Federal CIOs. The single
thing they were most proud of as a group was that they had managed to
outsource some of their mess to private industry. That in itself speaks
At this point, I doubt *anyone* knows what to do about these large
scale infrastructure issues. Most of the self-stimulation money set
aside for this appears to be more oriented to paying off political
favors to the various special interests and unions that supported the
current administration's ascension to power. The 30 or so years we
spent listening to the scientific illiterates parade against nuke
power means that we've lost a lot of expertise in the area and have
graduated precious few nuke engineers. Now the same bunch of scientific
illiterates have decided that the answer to our power problems is
wind and solar - which together won't make much of dent even if they
do end up working as claimed AND it still doesn't address the distribution
problem. And all of this ... every bit of it ... has taken place under
either direct Federal regulation or, at the very least, strong Federal
"interest" in the matter.
Yeah... the thought of the Feds doing this should give us great comfort ...
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
A reliable recognition sign for a certain sort of Usenet character is his
use of the word "sheeple." People who are convinced *they* are so much
better informed (and of course smarter) than pretty much everyone else are
Some of the folks who wrote the Constitution anticipated and even
recommended its occasional overhaul--why it's almost as if they knew that
circumstances they could not have foreseen would arise. And yet there are
those today who apparently would have been happier in the late 18th century,
if only there were a way to send them back.
Tell your local govt. you don't want them taking any more federal money for
things like education or law enforcement and see what their reaction is.
No, it isn't. Given the opportunity to harden their system against such
threats the power companies have done almost nothing, and they are painfully
vulnerable to cyber attacks.
That would be a refreshing change of pace for you. Alas, the spew that
followed had little to do with what I posted, and as always it is seen
through the lens of your "libertarian" paranoia. I don't know why you even
pretend you're answering what other people post, you're so much happier just
waving your placard and yelling your chant, and you hardly need to involve
other people to do that.
Have "hackers paid by foreign powers" caused a significant power outage in
Looking at it online, the "60 minutes" episode is a bunch of typical modern
chicken-littleism. Lots of "the sky is falling" but no specifics to speak
of. "Be afraid, be afraid, demand that the goverment pass new laws and
impose new taxes".
They say for example that "The Chinese are inside the power grid". How did
they determine this? They show a diesel generator being destroyed in a test
and then talk about "the big generators can be destroyed"--I wanna see 'em
make black smoke come out of a steam turbine. And they outright lied--they
said that generators are no longer made in the US--that would be news to
Maybe there's a risk, maybe not, but that show didn't prove it, it just
I stopped wasting my time on that show long ago.
Now, if someone could make black smoke come out of a reporter, _that_ I'd
_pay_ to watch.
I do not think I am "better informed" nor do I think I am better
than anyone. I wish to live my life peacefully, cause no harm or
fraud to others and want the same courtesy extended to me. When
others conspire to pillage my liberty, wallet, or future, I object.
This is not arrogance, it is self-preservation.
Unfortunately for you line of argument here, most of the changes in the
20th Century were done outside those guidelines. FDR, in particular,
attempted to pack SCOTUS because he knew he was violating the limitations
of the Constitution of the US. This is not my opinion, he says as much
in his own notes and writings. More recently, the Anointed One has
been quoted (from his lawyering days) as ruefully acknowledging that
the Constitution is a document of "negative" entitlements and expressing
a desire to make it otherwise. IOW, there has been precious little
conformity to either the 18th Century version of the document NOR it
mechanisms in place to change it. Instead, the political class and the
moochers that they feed have just decided to skip all those steps, not
show their work, and pillage the clear intent of this important bit
of foundational law.
My local government has - as you suggest - become addicted to Federal money.
So what. So has nearly every part of society. That makes this neither
wise nor desirable.
And I see that when you cannot answer a discussion of ideas with other
or better ideas you resort to diversion, personal attack, and otherwise
avoiding the topic. The government you wish to enshrine with more power
regularly fails to do its job well already. No amount of rhetorical
tap dancing on your part can avoid this inescapable fact.
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
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