If you seriously want to, then I hope you succeed
In fairness, I should relate some of the other side of the coin.
Both mining and construction have been very good to me over the years, the
former driving the latter. Therein lies the problem. Mining is the main
driving force behind our strong economy.
(Basically, Australia is a great big quarry.) Whilst mining is booming, the
construction industry follows suit and the effect flows right through our
economy. It is also our Achilles heel. China has become our most important
customer for iron ore, the big money earner. As a result we are largely
dependant on the Chinese demand for our raw materials for our continued
growth. A slowing down of demand will have dramatic effects on our economy.
Not least because we have little to replace it with. Manufacturing here
struggles because of our tiny population and consequent small labour pool.
Who is going to want to work in a mundane city environment earning minimum
wages when the mining and construction industries are offering three times
the money? If China sneezes, Australia is going to catch a really bad cold.
Then we are really only left with agriculture for any large scale export
Secondly, it can be a very tough environment to be in mentally. Newcomers to
the industry can very often find it difficult to assimilate. Aussies are by
nature fairly open gregarious people. When we go mining, there seems to be a
transformation. There are some very aggressive people in mining. Perhaps
because it is a pressure driven environment, it attracts a disproportionate
number of aggressive, competitive types. (Of which I'm probably one.)
Thirdly, there is no job security whatsoever. If a mine has to close,
because of falling prices or the ore-body is exhausted, then everyone loses
their jobs. This happens more frequently with gold and nickel mines, which
results in a flood of experienced miners looking for work at the iron ore
mines. A precarious existance, at times.
I like it because I'm a risk taker. In spite of several of the mines I have
worked on over the years closing down, I've always been lucky enough to find
work. Not so for everyone.
Heh. Yes, it's been really good. Ironic too, when many plant operators earn
more than the engineers, surveyors and geologists that control the pits.
It's all about supply and demand.
Huge demand for materials (think China) huge resources in the ground and a
seemingly perpetual shortage of skilled operators to fill that demand.
Those figures are the best of it, it's fair to say, but almost anyone
working as an operator in mining over here would get no less than $110,000
per year. Some rosters are not as good at some sites, two on and one off is
Those of us that have been doing it for many years and can produce, get
offered top dollar. After I stopped contracting in my own right, I went back
to machine operating. My sig comes from that more recent period.
The top operating job is as a production excavator operator. In mining over
here, we call them diggers. Therefore, I was a "diggeroperator," which the
crew traditionally shorten to "diggerop."
It's not all beer and skittles. Production digger operators in high
production outfits generally only stop for a break once in a 12 hour shift,
while the machine is being fuelled. Responsibility is huge.
Pressure to perform is unrelenting. Competition between operators to be the
"top gun" is never ending. (That's the fun part.)
The job involves sitting on a a piece of machinery that is the most
technologically advanced available at the time, weighing anywhere from 120
tonnes to 4 or 500 tons in big mines. They cost several million dollars each
for the small ones and truly obscene amounts for the big machines. It
operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Always. Christmas day included.
Breakdowns, servicing, accidents or pit closures due to bad weather are the
only exceptions. For as much of that shift as possible, that machine must
keep loading at the maximum rate it is capable of. Iron ore is the easiest
to produce from, but even that involves knowing exactly what is ore, what
grade of ore and where to send the truck once it is loaded. Waste, the
material that is not suitable for processing, is sent to a separate
location. Getting them mixed up, even for a short period can cost thousands
or even millions. (Waste mistakenly sent to the ore dumps can contaminate
the ore enough that the whole stockpile has to be condemned and removed.
That could result in the loss of several thousand tons of high grade ore.)
Digging gold ore is even more critical.
Damage to the machine or the truck being loaded is also the operator's
responsibility. A moments inattention can result in huge losses. (With the
cost of these things, not many mines have a spare machine available.) High
production is achieved by digging in exactly the right spot, filling the
bucket to maximum capacity (20 to 80 tons of ore) and then lifting and
swinging the bucket over the back of the truck waiting to be loaded, just
missing the side of the truck by a few inches, as hard and fast as that
machine will perform. For 12 hours. Nonstop. Misjudge that and production is
lost, or more seriously, the truck will be hit, resulting in damage,
possible serious injury to the truck operator and an inevitable accident
investigation. I equate it to a tennis player serving aces continuously for
12 hours, not once being allowed to hit the net. It requires that level of
When I get my little health problem sorted, I'll go back to it if I can
If you mean the teacher's union and not the Federal arts supporter, they've
been suspect forever. I remember when I was a kid, the day before they went
on strike, my algebra teacher told the class "we're striking to improve
education, not for more money".
I've done myself out of a couple of good paying jobs with good benefits that
way. Also missed out on a couple of good women.
Try to argue fairly and truthfully. What you said above is utterly
false. I said it was immoral and thieving to *continue to support
such a system actively and not oppose it*. I made it very clear that -
since you had to pay into it - there is nothing wrong in receiving
benefits from it. BTW, lying *is* wrong ...
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
Along the way you amended your description and only when you were
called on it. Shall I post some examples of your direct attacks?
On second thought, forget that. Your standard practice of not directly
answering to examples of proof and changing the course of the subject
is well known. You are a liar (a clever one admittedly) and a bullshit
master on par with the best. That I'll admit.
I ask you again. You don't discuss woodworking so what are you doing
here? Post as many images as you want. Even on the slight chance that
they are yours and you're no longer capable of doing woodworking,
every image you post fails to explain why you can't type about
woodworking. No one is asking you to build anything. You're being
asked to participate in the charter of this group by TYPING about it.
Now, you can type your misdirecting message and FAIL AGAIN to answer
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:10:08 -0600, Tim Daneliuk
(Here with the redirection game.)
The questions is: Why do you not type about woodworking? You type
about politics. You've claimed to have woodworking experience.
I'll ask it again. Why do you not type about woodworking?
I'd say "Bullshit" and you want to know why? If you've built all those
things, (and I use the word "if" with serious doubt") then you'd have
plenty of knowledge to share and tips to offer. Whatever affliction
you have or might have or imagine you have is irrelevant. You can
obviously type and shit disturb every political conversation known to
man, so why can't you type about woodworking?
As usual and par for the course, you manipulate your answer into
something else. You never answer a question directly, but instead
redirect it into something almost the same, but essentially a
This media is just a platform for him to start politically related
arguments and inflame discussion as time goes on. He has no practical
involvement in political affairs other than discussion and doesn't
seem to have anything to do with politics at all, other than whining
and criticizing incessantly about the state of affairs. Hell, the last
election he didn't bother to vote for *anybody*. Basically, Tim is a
shit disturber par excellence when it comes to discussing politics.
That appears to be his sole function and purpose.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:14:31 -0600, Tim Daneliuk
Obviously. You're still here and too caught up in you're own devices
to leave. The only reason I don't take the advice to shun your
rhetoric is that you infect, misdirect and aggravate people. I'm here
to tap you on the should and let you know you're not going to get away
with it carte blanche.
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