Actually Larry, I don't think the majority of Canadians (with two
exceptions in this newsgroup) are backing our hellscare bill and are
probably watching it with some dismay. This is going to put a serious crimp
on the pressure relief valve for their own system. A good number of
Canadians come to the US for treatment when they are either denied care or
the wait time is too long to endure the pain. With this plan, that relief
valve is disappearing.
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:53:26 -0700, Mark & Juanita
Not as large a number as you'd like to believe. And you know what is
being forecast? The US will be coming to Canada's drug companies for
its medicines because we're not as hell bent on gouging a profit out
of our people and the system. I hope we soak you for everything you've
got. That seems to be the only type of commerce you respect.
If your country circles the drain as your continual sky is falling
rhetoric expounds, your citizens will be coming up here for medical
care, at least they will be trying to. How ironic would it be if your
failing health care system managed to turn ours into a comparable
gouging, money grabbing mob. Wouldn't that be a hoot? :)
So, let's make something up, like restless leg syndrome, and invent a
drug to foist off on the public for big $$$. What crap. I've had the
"jimmies" fer 62 yrs! My brother had em. My daughter has 'em. So
what? Never been more than a curiosity. Hardly the affliction the
drug companies would have us believe. What were those symptoms they
mentioned for Zoloft? "Do you feel less than comfortable at social
gatherings?", or some such nonsense. Yeah!! It's called shyness, you
dolts! Not some psychobabble affliction you need to run to the
God! ...the masses are dumber'n a bag o' hammers. No wonder
homeopathy is more popular than ever. And despite computers, space
stations, etc, some people still believe eating a tiger's winkie will
get theirs up. Lordy!, I can't think of a species that deserves to
become extint more than us. :\
Very interesting, but stupid.
The pharmacutical industry already has a market available limited only
by known disease.
Mass marketing of a drug to the general public in an attempt to get
the public to pressure the medical community to specify that drug is
riduculous, especially when the so called "disease" has been defined
by the industry.
"Restless leg" comes to mind.
But heh, TV time seems to be less expensive than a crew of "detail
people" canvassing the physicians to promote high profit drugs, which
helps the bottom line, just not the end user.
I used to think that. Then I saw Dick Cavett interview Ingmar Bergman,
who among other things described the condition and how it was affecting
his life--the interview was back in the '60s. So apparently it's a real
problem for some people.
The operative word is "some".
Given it is a problem for some people, it is also not a problem of the
A rather limited part of the medical community specializes in treating
the problem thus conventional means of drug_manufacturer/doctor
communication already exists.
Substitute a few other of the high profit, recreational like drugs
such as Viagra, if that works better for you.
No, I'm saying it's an "opportunity", not a "necessity".
Lots of money to be made selling the illusion of returning to those
thrilling days of yesteryear, even if only momentarily, to a bunch of
old farts, some of whom have to be reminded to take their meds.
As far as age is concerned, I'm old enough to remember Pearl Harbor,
take it from there.
Viagra was not invented as a recreational drug or for ED. It was undergoing
clinical testing for angina relief but it did not work very well for that.
When the men in the trial did not want to stop the drug, it was discovered
that they liked the side effects.
But they were definitely thinking about it. At a conference in
Philadelphia on nitric oxide* Louis Ignarro answered a question about
using a cream with an NO donor substance to enhance erections as follows:
Sounds like a bad idea, because the partner might faint due to lowering
of blood pressure when the substance would enter her system. I remember
NO (nitirc oxide) stimulates an enzyme called guanylate cyclase that
generates cGMP, which is responsible for vasodilation. Nitroglycerin is
an NO donor that also causes vasodilation via cGMP generation, but it
works best for the heart.
Viagra etc are inhibitors of one of the enzymes that degrade cGMP. There
is some tissue specificity in the diverse cyclic GMP phosphodiesterases
(PDEs), so Viagra etc work better for the purposes they are now marketed
At the time (late 80s, early 90s), there was great interest in
commercializing the NO research. Louis Ignarro got the Nobel prize with
Robert F. Furchgott and Ferid Murad for their NO-related research.
Furchgott discovered an "endothelium-derived relaxing factor" which
turned out to be NO. Murad was involved in the cGMP research for Abbott
That way, the sales and marketing people can afford to pay for the
expensive medicine their very expensive research develops.
Anyway, seems Canada doesn't have much going for them in pharmaceutical
research? I guess they've been content to live off the efforts of the
American free market system.
What will they do now, other than stagnate like good little socialist
Got Change: General Motors =====> Government Motors!
I can't speak as to new experimental drugs, maybe that's what you have
in mind, but then they're not yet regular pharmacy drugs are they?
We're talking about everyday prescription drugs.
Canadian drugs are markedly cheaper than in the US. Flocks of your
seniors make day trips on buses to come up here and buy generic drugs.
Read a little bit will you?
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