I don't believe that 85% bullshit for one second, but just for the sake of
argument, let's assume it's true. The US has a population of 300 million.
That leaves 45 million people that are unsatisfied with your healthcare
setup. That's a god awful lot of people who feel they're not receiving
45 million. Use a little perspective will you?
Yeah, it is hard to believe that 85% of people anywhere are happy about
anything. I'd bet over half of the 15% ain't happy about anything in
their life, and the other half probably are extremely unlucky and got
tangled up with routine incompetence. At any rate, the 85% that are
happy with their health care are in the know, because they get the best
health care on earth, even if not always perfect. When the socialists
manage to change our system to one like yours the bad news is then our
system will suck as bad as yours, but the good news is, you will not be
able to get any better treatment here than you do in Canada.
Got Change: Individualism ======> Socialism!
I happen to like our medical system. And believe me, I use it so I know
about it. Obviously, you thinking it sucks means that you're opinion is
based solely on hearsay without any practical experience. Not surprisingly,
you're opinion is popular among most of the people in the US who happen to
like your system. And just as obviously, that opinion is carried by those
who can afford your system. It most certainly isn't 85% if the population,
not even close to it.
Yes, you've heard second, third and fourth hand, but know shit. Let me
introduce you to Tim Daneliuk.
Your responses and replies are the frothing at the mouth version his
mindset. Just like him, you excel in whining and complaining about
government taking you to the poor house. That's what happens to people like
So there are not long waits for MRI's? The death rate for say prostrate
cancer is not higher in Canada than the US? Do I have to move to your
socialist utopia rather than get my information from 2nd hand sources?
I hope not. I will say this, I don't see your country getting invaded
by millions of aliens breaking down the borders to share your wealth, or
your health care.
Let me introduce you to Tim Daneliuk.
I like froth....
Just like him, you excel in whining and complaining about
Well you do a lot of it but you certainly don't excel at it... rather
stink at it if you must know.
People like me? What are you, a wordsmith? Enjoy what? WTF?
Got Change: General Motors ======> Government Motors!
"Jack Stein" wrote:
<snip a continuing litany of complaints as seen thru the eyes of one
afflicted with a severe case of analitis>
Perhaps some oral sex might help, but then again maybe just some
And I do love people who say things like ...Americans are happy with
what they have..." which is obvious bullshit to describe a system that
is a mess and getting worse.
That should read "some" Americans. I'm very happy with mine, but I know I'm
better off than most with our plan.
We definitely need some changes, but my concern is what the changes will be
and how much it will really cost us. The government track record for
efficiency is not the best.
Also, if there are going to be Death Panels, where do we send a list of
nominations for ah, shall we say "award recipients"?
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:43:10 -0700, Charlie Self wrote:
I'll have to agree with that. I've got Medicare with a supplement and my
wife has a high-deductible catastrophic only private plan (till next
year, hurray). She pays over twice what I do and gets only a discount on
some things. Just had to take her to the emergency room for a yellow
jacket sting and the bill, after discount, was about $700. I went in for
a suspected mini-stroke a couple of years ago and the bill was over
$10,000. I didn't have to pay a cent. OK, I paid for it in taxes back
when I was working, but I could afford it then.
One caveat. I tried one of the MedAdvantage plans for a couple of years
and found it as restrictive as being in an HMO. I went back to original
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
The ~85% figure of people being "satisfied" with their health insurance (not
care) is correct. There have been at least three large surveys that all come
up with about the same figure.
Still, there's a difference between "feeling" the health care was inadequate
and not actually receiving proper health care. Probably that percentage of
folks are just malcontents who, upon receiving a free bar of gold, would
complain that it wasn't in a box. In other words, the patient's impression
is not the best metric for deciding "proper."
I might be hopping mad over a leg amputation, but medically it may have been
the proper treatment.
One thing I have learned about insurance is that there are different
"standards of care".
The dentist, under my old dental insurance, insisted on pulling a tooth and
with a bridge rather than providing a root canal and a crown. I found a
paid for the root canal and crown out of my own pocket, and dropped the
I think the latter process was too time consuming for the doctor, whom from
most of his money from me collecting my monthly premiums.
Who did they survey? You're telling us to believe that the 15% of
people without health insurance are likely to be the only ones
dissatisfied with health insurance in this country? Plain and simple
If the figures baffle you, as clear thought seems to, 45 million
Americans are without health insurance. There are about 300 million
Americans. Forty-five million is 15% of 300 million.
Harris survey, satisfied with health insurance, grades A, B, or C = 85%
Kaiser poll September, 2009: Health plan rated Excellent or Good - 90%
Greenberg-Quinian (Democratic pollsters) 71% satisfied with existing health
CBS-NYT: 50% satisfied
ABC-Washington Post: 54% satisfied
From just today (9/28/2009)
"Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by
President Obama and congressional Democrats. ...56% are opposed to the
When I lived in Philadelphia they wanted to build a new sports stadium
(Veterans Stadium). The voters had a choice. Regular open stadium, $25
million or a domed stadium for $50 million. The city compromised and gave
us the best of both worlds, a regular open stadium for $50 million.
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