Uh, where on the Electra did they use anything "faulty"? Its problem
was a failure mode that had been previously unknown, and a contributing
factor was that the wing was made _stronger_ than it was supposed to be.
Once they figured out what was going on they fixed it and it has been
a reliable workhorse ever since.
Before the failures, I traveled in the Electra (KLM, Dhahran to Cairo
and later Cairo to Amsterdam) and liked it. I traveled in the plane
after the fixes (but can't remember when/where) and recall pleasant flights.
Still, I'd hardly consider a design that resulted in wing failure
anything other than faulty. And yes, even the best of intention and
engineering sometimes do go awry.
Sorry if I touched a nerve.
And a 9x16x1/8" poly shield (which I installed as a Ford tech at the
time) fixed the problem Pintos had when they were so rudely rear-ended
at freeway speeds. I sure wish the engineers had foreseen that
horribly blatant "defect", don't you? <thud>
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian,
or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up
to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
My brother owned a Ford Pinto, it was a great little car? What was
wrong with it, besides being a small, eco-friendly, wallet friendly ride
in an era that didn't particularly want all that?
Anyway, People risking $billions are more likely to make every effort to
protect that investment from stupidness, like cheap, faulty valves than
some corrupt government bureaucrat. That doesn't mean nothing will ever
happen, it just means some corrupt bureaucratic bullshit isn't likely to
intensify the drive to protect the investment.
Got Change: Individual Freedom =======> Government Control!
The problem with the Pinto was pretty serious. There were some
mounting bolts for the gas tank that were placed such that when the
car got rear ended, the bolts would pierce the gas tank, and cause the
Pinto to essentially blow up in a fireball.
As if that wasn't bad enough, Ford's shocking reaction to this defect
was that it was cheaper to pay settlements for the deaths, then to
recall and correct the problem.
I knew two people burned to death in a Pinto during a crash that would
have otherwise been not much more than a fender bender. They were 16
People stood by helplessy listening to them scream in agony as they
Completely and easily preventable, except that Ford made a financial
calculation and didn't fix the known problem.
Gas tanks rupture and cars blow up routinely in car accidents.
I witnessed a VW beetle run into the back of a truck and put two small
dents in the hood. The 25 year old driver was dead as a door nail. The
VW had no significant damage to it and the truck didn't even have the
dirt scraped off the bumper. I've seen cars shredded by trains and the
driver lived. Corvairs, VW, Isetta's and todays smart cars (and more)
are/were death traps looking for a place to happen.
Going after just Ford for the Pinto was a Ralph Nader witch hunt. Your
chances of surviving being rear ended by a truck in a pinto had to be
better than getting rear ended in a smart car. Hell, I think a murder
cycle stands a good chance against a smart car or an Isetta.
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!
Not like this. Pinto's were known as "gas bombs". This wasn't one or
two isolated instances. The Pinto had a fatal design defect that made
them extremely vulnerable in even a minor rear end collision. They
additionally had a problem with doors that jammed when the car was
rear ended, that made it impossible to get out of the burning car.
Ford acknowledged the problem existed. They knew about the problem
before the first Pinto was ever sold. They were bursting into flame
during pre-production safety testing. Ford did a cost benefit
analysis, and the accountants said it was cheaper to pay out
settlements than provide an $11 fix to each Pinto.
Yes, thats what they were known as. Turns out that about as many people
died in fiery crashes in Pintos as in other popular cars of that time.
You could get dead in a VW or a Corvair simply by a dirty look from a
Yeah, laws of physics are a bitch.
You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
On Fri, 07 May 2010 14:11:11 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Remember following one on the Jersey Pike with one of these on the rear deck:
I thought it strange that they'd be using such a small car to carry
explosives, until I noticed that it was a Pinto.
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