We have a new Dick Head of the Met Police chief

[whisky-dave]

perhaps an unfortunatly last name ;-)

[Roger Mills]

Or an appropriate one, by all accounts!

[Tim Watts]

Her? Oh dear, I'm going to have to stop wearing my backpack around London...

[Brian Gaff]

That name sounds like its either made up or an anagram of something. I bet she has to have a sense of humour at least. Brian

[ARW]

You should put it in an anagram solver!

[Weatherlawyer]

For the Detectives Mysdick is OK.

[Me]

I once had a senior manager named Richard Head... Brave man for not changing it!

[TimW]

I remember the day de Menezes was shot. Lie after lie after lie was reported in the press: That the police shouted to him, that he ran, that he jumped the barrier, that he was wearing a puffer coat like a bomb vest, had wires on him, etc. Almost every detail was a falsehood and can only have been released by the police to try to justify their f*ck-up. Of course it was years before anyone knew.

Tim W

[Another John]

Purely for argument's sake .... do you remember the time context of that incident? [1] And what if you were a police officer charged with spotting a terrorist, and dealing with said terrorist in the proper manner, in order to prevent him setting off the bomb he would be carrying (see time context)[1]? Having had one pointed out to you by the relevant section -- would *you* have challenged him in the approved British Police Procedural manner, knowing that you would have about one second between you saying "Excuse me sir..." and him pressing the button? Killing not only you, but more importantly killing or maiming several,if not many, innocent people nearby?

And if you hadn't been that police officer, but merely a "concerned member of the public", as you are now, would you now be using the benefit of hindsight to be still calling it a police f*ck-up? "The police f***ed up big-time -- they had him, but they let him press the button." Or some such.

The police f*ck-up, if you can call it that, was not to toe the line and square up to the media, and the increasingly outraged public (inflamed by our wonderful press), but to tell the untruths that you list (for your benefit, I'm assuming that they were lies, as you say). The police should have made much more of the scenario that I have just outlined. This is war, and war has innocent victims -- would you like to choose yours?

John

[1] Clue: The unfortunate Mr Menezes was shot one day after this

[Richard]

+1 The police officer did not go out that day to specifically kill Mr Menezes.

[harry]

He was here illegally. Nobody knew who the f*ck he was.

[JoeJoe]

or just leave the country when your visa expires.

[JoeJoe]

And the victim had a forged stamp in his passport and shouldn't have been here in the first place. Doesn't justify the killing, of course, but I am a great believer in the "clean hands" legal argument.

[whisky-dave]

Had a friend who's name was Simon Richard Blow.

He was careful not to use the richard or dick for his email address, but after completing the registartation he was known as blow simom at hot mail.

he got a lot of mail/male .

[tim...]

what's that got to do with anything

I challenge you to go out into the street in London and put a name to any one of the thousands of people who walk past you

tim

[whisky-dave]

what's that got to do with anything

You could say the same to me about the majority of celebs.

[JoeJoe]

I have no need or want to, but the police and other government agencies need and should be able to. Now that the LibDem idiots are no longer around it is time to introduce a mechanism for identifying people reliably (ID cards or whatever), and also to allow the different agencies to cross reference their databases.

[Huge]

[31 lines snipped]

You might want to live in a Police State, but I don't.

[tim...]

he said "Nobody knew who the f*ck he was."

but "Nobody knows who the f*ck most random people walking down the street" are - at the time they are randomly walking down the street.

tim

[tim...]

so we all need to have chips inserted into us that can be read at 50 yards do we?

because that is the access that they had to JdM when they, apparently, were disadvantaged by not knowing who he was

tim