UK Usenet Election

The elections for the UK Usenet Committee are currenting running, and the following are standing: Graham Drabble snipped-for-privacy@drabble.me (incumbent) Clive D. W. Feather clive@davros (incumbent) Fiona Gostling (aka 'kat') kat.news@ntlworld (incumbent) Ian Jackson ijackson@chiark Jonathan Amery jdamery@chiark David Damerell damerell@chiark Matthew Vernon matthew@debian
To vote you will need to find the Call for Votes, which was posted to uk.net.news.announce and uk.net.news.management, with Message-ID
The hustings take place in uk.net.news.management and are in full flow.
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:18:04 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

Yawn. What a bore.
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Steve Firth wrote:

Blimey. I know some of those.
MM yerrs.
there's a couple of loony cyclists in there all right.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:43:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It's pretty obvious which they are. They're all supporters of each other in the 'blurbs'.
Another good test is: if Molly Mockford is a supporter, they're a 'real' candidate, not a loony cyclist.
Please vote. For the first time EVER, I agree with Steve Firth!
Yes, it is important. And I speak as someone who has used Usenet for (at least) 26 years.
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Bob Eager wrote:

For those of us who are recent users, how would we find out who are the loons and who are the good guys? Not sure I'd trust Mr Firths comments.
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The Medway Handyman wrote:

The 3 incumbents are probably boring but OK. Iain Jackson is IIRC the looniest of the lot. David Dammerell from my experience, is zany, uber post modern but fundamentally intelligent and reasonably decent. When dressed anyway. Not sure about Amery and Vernon. Probably all eco fascists. But I couldn't say for sure.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:09:47 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Go for Drabble, Feather and Gostling, who (as said elsewhere) are boring but OK, and have experience. The other four are all supporting each other, you'll notice. Feather is even supported by Peter Parry!
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:09:47 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"

The loons are
Ian Jackson ijackson@chiark Jonathan Amery jdamery@chiark David Damerell damerell@chiark Matthew Vernon matthew@debian
Jackson is the lead loon. A rabid pedal cyclist whose Lycra seems to be exerting too much pressure on his nadgers causing significant intemperance. He pedals around with a helmet camera and posts endless videos of himself having arguments with puzzled motorists as he berates them for committing real or imagined transgressions of his interpretation of the law. The sheer number of arguments he can get into in one day is really quite impressive. He was removed from the uk voting organisation a few years back when he came up with a simple idea of disallowing votes from people who lacked the ability to reconfigure their email clients to accommodate the extreme idiosyncrasies of his personal mail server (which of course he built himself and was therefore perfect - everyone else was wrong)
Well known for his support of one man one vote as long as he is the man and he has the vote. Totally deaf to opposing opinion he would make Stalin look like a member of the Liberal Party.
Dameral is another pedal bike rider hanging onto Jacksons coat tails. Some years ago he was a member of the UK Usenet committee but got a bit bored and left. Another exponent of the long drawn out pointless argument school of debate.
Amery and Vernon appear to be simply placeholders (or more properly bike holders as all are enthusiastic followers of the new religion) persuaded to participate presumably by Jackson. None of the four seem to have any ability to deal with people.
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To be fair, neither do you.
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Tssk, you haven't decloaked yet. Let me help you... Clive is also a barking mad cyclist.
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:56:43 -0000, "Clive George"

That may or may not be true, but it is certainly truly irrelevant.
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Peter Parry wrote:

Well that's about the way I see it. David will join any amusing cause, in the name of whatever seems amusing at the time. But I wouldn't rely on him if I were Jackson.

Well I wouldn't say that exactly. Damerell to my certain knowledge has a way of getting what he wants by using peoples own perceptions against them. He's a highly skilled and subtle manipulator, but (when I knew him) without a cause other than simply making people dance to his tune for the hell of it. A court jester of the first order. I really rather liked him. Think Boris. A solution without a problem.
Jackson I am not so sure about: I think I have met him, or crossed swords on usenet... the faint impression I have is that your description above is fairly accurate. Immature and earnest beyond belief. Think Livinsgtone.
Amery and Vernon are probably as you say. along for the ride, to give some credence to the 'new movement'.
I'd love more background on what actually happened with the biking issue. There is a lunatic cycling lobby in Cambridge (where most of these people reside IIRC), That has essentially reduced the whole town to a haven for pedestrians and cyclists, and made it totally inaccessible to any form of motor transport. As a result the town is actually dying as a market town.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:56:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher

For the vast majority of people the second of these invariably follows very shortly after the first.

Not a lot really. uk.rec.cycling was apparently reduced to a well inhabited wasteland by arguments about plastic hats. Most were started by a well know loon but then kept running fuelled by a group of bicycle riders who treat cycling as a bit of a religion. In order to suppress the loon they wanted a moderated group. The process for doing this is pretty simple but Jackson, who was the proponent, wanted to do everything his way. This, combined with a lot of comments and a vote taker falling quite ill at the worst time, meant the process of forming the group took about 20 weeks. Once it was formed Jackson started a long running whinge about how it hadn't all happened the instant he wanted it to. No one else was overly concerned. He then went and coerced his pedal cycle mates into standing for election.

I would imagine they are leaders of it. How many normal people video their trip to work so they can post the "arguments of the day" when they get home?
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I imagine this is he?
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson /
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wrote:

It is, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/ gives you some idea about his obsession.
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Peter Parry wrote:

yes..all the chiarken are slightly off beam.
Life is, after all, a role playing game,
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The local police must love him.
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Alan wrote:

Travelling far too fast. Ought to be banned from the roads.
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Some might find some amusement value in this;
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/links/2007-09-15-Crash-narrative.txt
I know I did.
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<AOL>
Laughed like a drain.
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