While in many cases true, its what many people know these days, and
hence having one *in addition* to the the usenet group (which is
mirrored both ways) might not be a bad thing. That way if you want
access in the current way you still have it.
In some ways it seems like a natural extension of the faq / wiki site.
On Thursday, 22 June 2017 11:21:44 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
I don't believe that splitting this group with a forum would be a good move at all. But perhaps one could present a ukdiy portal that's as easy to access as a forum. Easier in fact,by not splitting it into lots of different sub-areas.
That prompts the thought that a website might provide a platform for
reviews of tools, fixings, etc. sent to the webmaster(s) by
manufacturers/importers keen to reach a growing audience.
Well, it seems to work for some pretty odd sites which review IT kit ;)
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On 22/06/2017 21:26, email@example.com wrote:
IMHO the more intelligent reviewers simply shift the scale - much as
NASA did with condoms when they offered astronauts a choice between
"large, gigantic, or humongous" rather than "small, medium, or large".
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:38:54 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
+1 (AoL, if you prefer). :-(
Many years ago, when Zetnet sold out to that asset stripping company,
Breathe Networks Ltd (Spit!), its dispersed membership tried to sustain
the community of "Zetnutters" that had been created by that ISP's closed
newsgroups with a zetnet forum created during zetnet's death throes as BNL
ineptly buggered up zetnet's USP (slowly on account BNL's technical staff
seemed to be a bunch of ignorant fuckwits - I got an extra 12 months use
out of zetnet's news server for free before it was given the final coupé
During that final troubled year, I joined the zetnet users' forum to get
help with 'work-around' solutions to accessing the USP of zetnet's news
server. I found it such a pain to log into just this one forum that more
or less as soon as BNL had finally killed off the news server, I gave up
trying to stay in touch with my fellow zetnutters.
Quite frankly, I can't understand how some folk manage to stay
subscribed to more than two or three such fora without 'cheating' by
simplifying/automating their 'secure' login procedures, let alone getting
to grips with the rather klunky and disparate navigation algorithms
Usenet and the various client news reader software may not be a perfect
solution but at least it scales well, unlike the web browser accessed
fora, each with their own peculiar login and navigation requirements
which don't (scale, that is!).
The idiot posters and trolls aren't really a problem for those of us
with enough common sense to make good use of the kill filter file (and
the 'ignore thread' file if your news reader client has such an option).
Failing all that, it's easy enough to ignore the postings of trolls and
idiots and the urge to make a 'Knee Jerk Response' in a futile attempt to
'educate the idiots and trolls' of 'the truth'. As one of my friends,
decades ago, was so fond of saying, "It's like trying to educate pork.".
This business of dealing with idiots and trolls might seem like a lot of
hard work - it isn't - but trying to participate in more than two or
three web fora is even more 'hard work' imho. And, what's worse is that
many of the discussions of a 'technical nature' have contributors who
would by comparison make the likes of Rod Speed and TNP look like
geniuses!!! Who'd have thought! :-(
When you've been directed to as many such 'technical fora' in my
googling for solutions to various computer related problems as I have
over the past decade or more, you soon learn 'to bite your lip' as you
realise the futility of even trying to contribute a myth busting fact to
any of these fora. It's been good training in how to make best use of
Moderation might seem like a solution to the problem of idiots and
trolls but, quite frankly, this 'cure' can often turn out to be worse
than 'the disease'. After all, there's no guarantee that the moderators
will be any less ill informed or opinionated than the idiots and trolls
it's meant to keep at bay. It's far better, imho, to retain the "Valour
is the better part of discretion." principle in the hands of the
individual contributors rather than leave this in the hands of a select
However I also accept that we are missing potential contributors because
we don't have a (good) web based way of accessing the group for those
that are not familiar with usenet etc. If you have the web then you need
to retain the newsgroup to keep all players happy.
aka "Don't try and teach a pig to sing, it will only upset the pig and
Dealing with the spam and common trolls is easy enough (I find simply
have a filter to mark their posts as "read" is adequate most cases, with
the occasional kill sub thread for a few).
However dealing with the general petulance of some posters who
historically were capable of posting interesting content is a slightly
more tricky proposition. ISTM that having a much greater flow of of new
(at least loosely) "on topic" content would go a long way to help. Even
the most die hard "my os/political party/religion/choice of sandpaper is
superior to all yours" type can usually make a decent conversation once
they forget to climb on their personal soap box.
I don't see that we will find many of them by attracting new posters to
Indeed, and also in this day and age one takes the risk of no longer
being seen as a "common carrier" if you have moderation in place, and
then someone moans that you did not moderate something (they think) you
No need for that. It will turn into uklm where everybody has watch what they
say and be nicey-nicey.
As for new blood, it's too late for that. More or less the same people post
here all of the time - there is nothing wrong with that as this is quite an
Leave well alone.
I am also reminded of as society I once joined years ago, all were
despondent about the falling membership and wanted 'new blood'..
so I proposed going online and appealing to a much broader marklet. They
accused me of trying to take it over and destroy the 'matey' nature of
I left in disgust.
People don't really want what they say they want. When socialists got
what they asked for the labour party did not vanish, they found
something else to complain about instead.
Whining fills the empty hours...
Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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