TOT (BBC bias about global warming)

The BBC tell us that rising sea levels in Indonesia are due to global warming. But it's all lies. Here's the proof.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/dont-expect-the-truth-from-the-bbc/
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Is that so? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/7374722.stm
Dunno why you go to these drivel sites for information.
The problem here is ground water extraction.
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:36:42 -0000, "harryagain"

The BBC is not a scientific research organisation. It was simply reporting something that had already appeared in The Straits Times of Singapore which in turn was drawing on information from the Climate Change and Environmental Risk Atlas 2014 by Maplecroft Global Risk Analytics and other sources. The BBC report didn't express any opinion on this material:
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/indonesia/story/indonesia-risks-losing-1500-islands-2050-20140225
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wrote:

Bills point is that they gave only one opinion of what is going on. By giving only one view the BBC can be seen to be giving a biased view.
http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/question-14/
Shows that sea level increase has been linear since 1880.
http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/question-6/
Shows that climate change is cyclic.

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They expressed an opinion by reporting on it. Is Maplecroft a scientific research organisation?
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 05:56:25 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

Such a credible, independent and unbiased source, Bill... I congratulate you.
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Mostly its them being lazy and dumbing down cos they are um, dumb themselves. I don't think one can read any more into it than laziness. I blame the moon. Brian
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Never believe anything you read in blogs.
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The BBC article doesn't say that the difference in sea level is caused by global warming. Sea levels are relative to the location.
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Look Bill it has got warmer, sea level is rising and there have been an unusual number of extreme weather events.
Only today the BBC announced that the RS and is US equivalent have said there is global warming: -
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/environment/experts-from-uk-us-there-is-unequivocal-proof-of-global-warming.1393483880
but obviously this fails to take into account that your view that the earth is flat and the sun goes around it...
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:00:42 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"

a) The article is about climate change. The climate has always changed.
b) "On the other hand, there is much less certainty about the extent to which sea levels are likely to rise, and what effect increasing acidity of the oceans will have on marine life."
Billions have been spent, because of exaggerated forecasts of the rise in sea levels.
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Billions have been lost because the water came over (New Orleans, New York etc.)

No risk from rising sea levels in your country is there?
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:56:58 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"

That wasn't the result of a rise in sea levels. It was the result of hurricanes.

Zero, but billions wasted through believing original predictions of increase in sea levels.
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On 28/02/2014 15:08, Martin wrote:

That will be why they are operating the Thames barrier much more frequently now than predicted then.
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On 01/03/2014 13:34, David Kennedy wrote:

That will be because they didn't have weather records that were accurate for very far into the past. Some of the records are only about 20 years so when they state "since records began" you need to ask when they began and does it really mean that it was a freak event or just one they don't have prior records for. They just got it wrong through lack of data.
The recent floods for instance occurred after a period of wetness that was the wettest since 1910 (Met office claim) later after more rain since records began). So anyone that links the recent floods to GW will have to explain why it was that wet in 1910 when there was little or no GW.
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On 01/03/14 16:39, dennis@home wrote:

The Thames barrier was initially built to resist a 1953 style storm surge. Since then the sea level has risen by 4 inches at most.
Of course silting will have been at a far higher level than that.

Depends on whose records. IIRC we had weather like this in 1810 or thereabouts :-)

Well of course, its piss all to do with non-existent GW and a hell of a lot to do with not dredging, building on flood plains and general lack of attention to drainage of existing river basins.
And that places the blame squarely on the environment agency which has for many years told the relevant river authorities that rivers are to be left to nature, and not to dredgers.
And that directive of course ultimately comes from Brussels.
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On 01/03/2014 16:39, dennis@home wrote:

Not helped by the need to build sea walls ever higher because people have built on the land previously flooded during tidal surges. Funnel more water up towards London and the water level will get higher.
The water you stop flowing in its traditional way has to go somewhere else.
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"alan" wrote in message wrote:

Not helped by the need to build sea walls ever higher because people have built on the land previously flooded during tidal surges. Funnel more water up towards London and the water level will get higher.
The water you stop flowing in its traditional way has to go somewhere else.
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Actually, it doesn't go anywhere significantly different to where it used to go
It's just that we now complain that it's "someone fault" for not doing their job properly, when it does
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This is true for precipitation which flows down rivers.
It is not true for coastal "storm surges" caused by gravity (tidal element) and air pressure (wind element). The water will simple rise to a certain height anywhere it can, but it won't be any higher than if you don't have defences.

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On 02/03/2014 13:28, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

Not sure that's true in estuaries.
Look at the Severn; biggest range in the country because it's all concentrated up the river. If it flooded over the neighbouring flat lands (there aren't any incidentally) it wouldn't have half as much punch.
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